We've got this nasty habit of looking back at things or looking at things that
we don't believe in. I will look back at say, the belief in Zeus and
we'll say "What was that? Oh no we can write it off; we can stop thinking about
it - that was superstition; that was mythology." And this is a
nice little catch-all. But if you actually stand firm in your materialist
convictions and look at it and ask again "What was Zeus? What was
people's experience of Zeus?" Well Zeus was a shared imagination - at least
we can agree on that. Everyone agreed what his gender was, for example
He had a name He had attributes, he had character
traits. He had representatives. If you were a kid growing up in ancient Greece
or the Athenian empire, you've got men talking about Zeus as if he exists
casually like he can do stuff or whatever, completely
reified into this this this agent from your perspective and then
you can actually start studying it and saying maybe let's look
at some other entity and ask what it is objectively - let's look at Mexico. What is Mexico?
What's a Mexico? It's a shared imagination.
Right, there's no clear point where it begins or ends.
Yeah, there's a geographical area that's associated with it, just like
there's a power animal that's associated with it, and there's a name that's
associated with it, an agenda that's associated with it.
The eagle... Eagles tend to pop up
a lot for the power animal. They do and that's understandable. I think the
thing with eagles is, they've got a top-down view on the world
and that another reason why if you can use owls a lot
in secret societies and symbolism is because they can see in the dark
that's an indication of wisdom - see things other people can't Like Big Brother?
Yeah sure, always watching, never blinking. About symbolism, it really has to
start with looking at totemic deities, because that's about the
furthest back I think we can reasonably go. We recently encountered and
still encounter totemic tribes. You mean literal ones, like in the Amazon?
Oh yeah, even in Zambia you have the Bantu people
for example and they're totems are - as they typically are - plants and
animal. They've got the crocodile and I believe it's the ash tree.
When they came across the territory that they decided to inhabit they found
the crocodile, ash trees, and they started identifying with these
these totemic objects. A totemic object is typically a plant or an animal.
Doesn't have to be exclusive, but what it really is, is a representation of the
people. This is quite easy to illustrate: if you're in a totemic
tribe and you wake up in the morning and go for a piss on the totem... One of
your tribesmen peeks out of his tent and sees you pissing on the totem, he's
gonna be very very offended, personally, and he's gonna feel like
everyone else in the tribe should be personally offended. Why? Because
you're assaulting a crocodile or an eagle or a wolf? It's what it represents.
The shared hallucination. Yeah yeah. But who doesn't really represent
when they praise the totem, when they meditate on its characteristicsl
Like the wolf is really good at hunting in packs, it's a very
crafty animal, resourceful, whatever. Really applying these
characteristics to themselves, so the people of the wolf will start
identifying with the attributes of the wolf, and then identify the wolf with a
symbol of the tribe. So essentially the the totem is a representation of the
unity of the group that's why your tribemate's pissed off
when he sees you pissing on the totem. Not because you're desecrating a wolf or
an eagle, but because you're desecrating the unity of the group.
Fast forward all the way now to modern totemic deities, also known as countries,
nation-states, and what are they? They're these shared imaginations that are
assigned a gender and a power animal, a name and a set of rules to follow
and a bunch of representatives to interpret what the totemic
deity wants. I think it was really quite an inevitable and also quite
brave that in these old totemic tribes you invariably got some brave soul
disappearing into the wilderness, usually with some trippy shit for a
few days, and comes back with stories of visions. Just
when the tribe thinks he's dead, he shows up out of nowhere and says "I've spoken
to the fucking totem guys" The example that
comes to mind is with the Wixarika or the Huichol people in Mexico.
The story was, they were going through a famine and so they
basically had no food and they didn't know what to eat so they sent two brave young
men off into the desert to try to look for something and after a few days
without food or water they saw this blue deer hopping off into the distance and
eating peyote. So after that, the whole tribe started consuming peyote and now
it's kind of sacrament for the tribe innate and some of them eat it
every day. The blue deer is prominent in that artwork when they
make bracelets and things Right, yeah that's awesome.
So that might have been a real experience I would say, but it's
also, even if it's just completely made up, you cannot deny the
the appeal that it must have to a certain type of personality that thinks
"Hmm...Llet's see, everyone's trying to appease this totem" - maybe he
doesn't really believe in, or maybe he does. Maybe that's why he gets the vision
He goes off and he's tripping balls on his peyote or whatever
because he's grown up with this image of this deity in his mind and
how the wolf is looking after him in his sleep and all these things,
that's what he sees when he hallucinates
Possibly. It's also possible that he comes back with a fat tale.
Basically claiming that he's spoken to the deity as a ploy to gain control over
his fellow tribesmen, and to not have to go hunting anymore or do their
difficult work. As soon as your tribesmen believed that the
deity has spoken to you, that you've got its ear and that it's got yours then they
look to you to interpret what it wants and then your time is obviously better spent
in commune with the deity than doing the mundane tasks of living like everyone else.
So it's a position of power that you get when you claim to represent the deity and you get people to believe you
It's extremely risky - if they don't believe they'll probably kill you in a totemic tribe
Sure, they'll say you're a heretic. Those people are forgotten, but the ones that stay are prophets.
You see the same sort of thing today where
you can get a bunch of cohorts together and form a party and claim to represent
"what America really wants" for example, or like what what the what the deity
intends for you or expects of you, and so on. You see a lot of these religious
overtones, especially in the in the early founding of America where they
have things like "manifest destiny". Just look at the Wikipedia page
for manifest destiny and you'll see paintings of this feminine deity flying
above the settlers and driving back the beasts and the savages, then the
pilgrims coming along with the light of day. It's all very religious
The overtones are there "In God we trust" on the
notes and not to mention the temple architecture of all the
government buildings and the courthouses and things like that
Now all of these things confused me when I was leaving religion and noticed that,
it seemed like all of our Dear Leaders are very very very much into some sort
of mysticism. There's shitloads of symbology
There's shitloads of members of secret societies and
allegedly occult knowledge and so on. None of that made sense to me if we
really live in a godless world. You'd expect the most, let's say,
street-smart world-weary people among us to be the least religious if that were the
case but yet they seem to be steeped in this shit. You can't scratch politics
with a fingernail without find the dark occult underneath the surface
Ask Mark Passio about this. Or just try it yourself - go visit any government building around
have a look at the symbolism, have a look at the Lions guarding the
entrance in Zambia they have there at the Supreme Court. It all starts to
make a little more sense when you actually model them as running a
compulsory religion. So you've mentioned to me the examples of in Washington DC
they have the Oval Office which is like the Divine Feminine and then
you have the Washington Monument down the road which is the Divine Masculine
Just like in India or something The lingam and the yoni
Yeah, it's primeval AF, I mean
that's their symbolism behind a lot of mystic religions
Basically the sex divide is ancient, and even if you look
at the Washington Monument from the top, it's positioned within
two interlocking circles. When two circles interlock that area in the
middle is called the "vesica pisces". The fish bladder?
It's like the yoni really. The Washington Monument's rising up out of that
The symbolism is just - The circles don't represent the testes?
They could. It would look like a cock and balls from on high from the mighty eagle's perspective.
There's no shortage of occultic symbolism and I think in
the case of DC - it's obviously the District of Columbia - the
statue that's on the roof of the oval office is a statue of Columbia
The 60 something feet idol in the New York Bay, of Libertas.
The one they call "the Statue of Liberty". Yeah because it's Libertas.
The the roman goddess, you can trace that back it's
the same personality as Columbia. Columbia is the poetic name for the Americas
Yes, the idea being that America really is the deity Columbia
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