good evening and welcome to a special
and we think pretty fun addition of
Tucker Carlson tonight we're gonna
feature some of our favorite debates
from the past year we don't know if
Democrats will take Congress in the fall
or who the Democratic nominee is going
to be in 2020 but we do have some idea
of what they're planning to run on
impeaching Trump throwing open the gates
to the prisons those are two obvious
ones many Democrats are also proposing
to eliminate ice that's the government
agency tasked with enforcing our
immigration laws we've spoken to several
people this summer who support that plan
and here's part of the conversation
people are calling for eliminating the
agency so let's say that happens
tomorrow the Democratic Left you get
your wish and ice is gone and there's an
illegal alien who's been busted for
drunk driving should he be deported
simple questions your people who are
here illegally who get busted for DUI
should they be deported that's we have
to sort of I think what we have to do is
think about abolishing ice and then copy
into something else I think what was the
question again
well should someone and the question is
should an illegal alien busted for drunk
driving be deported that's too vague of
a question I mean the criminal justice
system though it's a very easy usage
with crime no no it's a very specific
question the criminal justice with
immigration for a living no I'm asking
what do you think we should do because
we're at a moment where we're remaking
it's a revolution we're remaking
everything anew well let's get rid of
Isis okay so what are the new rules I
get I'm here legally I get busted for
DUI
should I be deported very simple gene
that person could have a severed ear why
should be deported immigration law is
very complicated Tucker that person
could have an asylum claim they could
have many different types of reasons why
they might be able to stay in the United
States beyond their DUI the criminal
justice system can handle crimes right I
mean American citizens but no or illegal
aliens who commit crimes without ice I
think if ms-13 or any gang member
violently commits a crime kills someone
they should spend the rest of the life
in prison
that's what if you know someone's
if you believe someone's a member of
ms-13 and is here illegally you don't
think that's enough to deport him well
what are we going to really accessory
beers we're just come over there and
maybe we could come back you know it's
the logic that we need to see we can
exacerbate a problem by sending it so we
created it's America's fault yeah we
created I am for abolishing ice because
ice has been undermining American values
ice has been tearing apart families this
is not who we are but while I say that
we need to abolish ice I am still for
strong borders and as we still have
Customs and Border Patrol and and still
have limited and humane immigration and
enforcement in this country let's
remember Isis here let me ask you Isis
but yes sir ice has been here for 15
years Tucker it's a 15 year experiment
right prior to that we were able to
enforce our immigration laws humanely
and in a limited way we need to get back
so the laws haven't changed much weight
I mean just to dig down since you're
getting the ice question all more deeply
is there something immoral about the ice
employees a lot of Democrats have
compared them to Nazis do you think
they're bad people that's absurd that I
made some sir Chuck are we're talking
with it's absurd because you're not
calling for it wait but hold on it's
uncertain so ice carries up the laws
passed by the Congress you want to serve
in the Congress but you're not calling I
noticed four different laws you're
saying you want to get rid of this one
specific agency but keep other agencies
to patrol the border in some as you said
limited way what's specifically wrong
with ice there's something wrong with
the pie ice going on buses and asking
for papers ice now going to schools and
churches and taking people off the
street read a what are you reading about
someone what do you think they're doing
is it that they're that's the point and
that we created this the answer you're
the one : I'm I'm here to learn from you
you want to get rid of them but why do
you think they're doing this stuff the
ice is out of hand in its approach in
terms of how before when why and
enforcement it was both
easy to see my white if I know you mean
I know because you already have
I want it wait I want to get you to
answer this question which is why do you
think they're that way you say that
they're doing these horrible things why
do you think they're doing those
horrible things because it's been an
agency set up solely around enforcement
rather than set up and it was a set up
and in 2003 rather than an agency set up
to both to govern and enforce
immigration rules in this country Tucker
we are a country of immigrants that hold
I mean I am sorry it weird maybe it's my
fault for wanting specific answers but
what does that mean it's a law
enforcement agency that shouldn't just
in for example have a for undertake for
example what we had before under the
previous I'll talk about ice you want to
abolish ice help me here how about this
in your position I do want to do things
other than enforce the law what should
those things be Tucker a way we had it
before under ina something like that we
can enforce our immigration laws through
another mechanism not ice which is out
of hand which is now I'm trying I'm
trying
look if you're ever in Washington call
me I would love to hear more about this
because I'm still confused but thank you
for coming on I appreciate that the
incoming president of Mexico is a
left-wing populist who repeatedly said
in the campaign trail that the
population of the world has an absolute
right to move to America and America has
an obligation to let all of them in we
spoke to Univision anchor Jorge Ramos
about the new president just before the
Mexican election tell me a little more
about this right of all the people in
the world to come to the United States
where does that right come from well let
me just say right at the beginning I'm
an independent journalist I don't speak
for the Mexican government nor for Lopez
Obrador or any other presidential
candidates but Lopez Obrador he's ahead
of the polls Rennell talker he's
reaching almost 50 percent he's a
leftist candidate he's 64 and what he
has said is that he's vowing to be a
president for the 130 million Mexicans
in Mexico and for the about 12 million
Mexicans here in the
States so don't expect a la posada to be
a spineless and weak president my
opinion either is going to be a
completely different relationship
between Lopez Obrador
if he wins I'm president Donald Trump it
sounds that way but but why as it but I
mean unlike you I'm an American I only
vote in this country I only can I'm only
a citizen of this country and so why
would I or any of the other American
citizens watching tonight think that
it's a good thing that a president of
another country is declaring that the
world has a right to move here that's a
hostile act aimed at us why would we be
for that IIIi don't know why he said
that but what I can tell you is that he
wants to protect the 12 million Mexicans
living here and 35 million people in
this country from Mexican origin so so
it's going to be different you remember
we wouldn't pick opinionated at the
current president he invited them
candidate Donald Trump to the to Los
Pinos the Mexican White House and and
Mexicans were outraged by doing that
Lopez Obrador is going to be completely
different as a matter of fact just
recently Lopez Obrador said that the
this policy of family separation is
racist so in other words if he becomes
president and it would be December 1st
it would be completely different than
companion yet with Donald Trump okay so
we're getting another racism lecture
from a rich white Mexican ruling class
member okay just want to clarify that
wait get racism lectures from any
Mexican official who preside over one of
those races countries in the world most
Americans don't understand that I've
spent enough time there but it's racist
some people finally separate but it is
racism let me just let me just say why I
mean what are the number of Americans
kids in cages right now it's zero and
what's the number of Central American
Mexican kids in cages or detention
centers okay only 300 no change because
of the color of his skin this isn't
Mexico in Mexico
and they're being rise to levels of
prominence because it's too racist as
you know so again Mexican citizens are
no position to lecture Americans about
racism let's just start there some what
is happening this it's not racism that
that's that's that's absurd if Mexicans
come here to assimilate and become
Americans which is what we're always
being told they want a part of the
American dream then why is the guy
running for the President of Mexico
campaigning among them it doesn't feel
like they're assimilating it sounds like
there's Mexican citizens extracting what
they can from our country well there are
two things you first of all on under
Mexican law Mexicans live in abroad they
are allowed to vote and many many
including me we're going to be doing
that on on July 1st if they believe in
America and if they're assimilated in
chocolate be voting yo you can actually
see any part of the United States and
still believe that you can participate
politically in Mexico that's those are
the laws they can but you wouldn't
participate in election unless you had
skin in the game unless you felt that
that politician was representing you but
if you were an American and you really
identify with the United States then
what they do in Mexico doesn't really
concern you so I'm gonna be assimilated
in America and still be voting in a
foreign election that's just it does not
but it does because you would expect in
this case the President of Mexico to
defend Mexican immigrants or Central
American or Latin American immigrants if
something happens to them and if we just
have the crisis running right now at the
other border so you would expect the
Mexican President to defend you if
something happens to you in the United
States of course I'm even more confused
if those are his people his citizens
he's representing them he's
losing their votes which he is doing why
doesn't he want them to live in Mexico
well many of them left for many
different reasons and as you know
immigration has to do with supply and
demand and if there are jobs for them
Mexicans contribute billions of dollars
to the economy to the Mexican immigrants
well the left has moved way over the
line and the question or immigration but
that's not the only topic that they've
gone crazy over now some prominent
liberals say we ought to institute
socialism because that works well and
empty the prison's we'll show you what
they're saying next
welcome back to a special edition of
Tucker Carlson tonight the term
Democratic Socialist is everywhere all
of a sudden numerous prominent Democrats
including Bernie Sanders and Alexandria
Acacio Cortes of New York have recently
embraced the phrase but what exactly
does it mean professor Cornel West is
maybe the most prominent democratic
socialist in America he joined us
recently to define the term so to give
us some sense of what democratic
socialism is can you point to an example
an extant example of it that works
Venezuela seems like an example of
democratic socialism would you say that
it is and if so does it work no I don't
think that democratic socialism as an
ideal has been able to be embodied in a
larger social context there's different
forms of it some more bad some are
mediums some are better but the
fundamental commitment is to the dignity
of ordinary people and to make sure they
can live lives of decency so it's not an
ism though brother it's about decency
it's about fairness it's about the
accountability of the powerful visa vie
those who have less power to workplace
women being with the household gays
lesbians trans black people indigenous
peoples immigrants how do we ensure that
they are treated decently and that the
powerful don't in any way manipulate
subjugate and exploit them well I mean
if that's what democratic socialism is
that I'm basically on board I do think
that ordinary people middle class people
ought to have dignity and I think that
our current systems make it hard for
them to have dignity so I grab saluted
but the detail in that precisely why
that's why Albert Einstein Helen Helen
Keller Norman Thomas Eugene Debs mana
Luther King jr. Ella Baker we didn't go
on and on they're all democratic
socialists Michael Harrington one of the
great founders of I understand but has
it struck you as interesting that it's
never actually worked anywhere so the
question is not what our nipples our
goals are the same course how do we get
there is the question so what happened
in Venezuela they call that democratic
socialism but they don't have toilet
paper
and it's less equal than alpha but part
of the problem is though brothers at any
time there's been attempts of ordinary
people to engage in self-determination
they can get crushed by external Nations
look at US policies toward Venezuela has
been very very ugly Nicaragua in the
same way we saw that in so many other
instances where countries try to engage
in self-determination and neither get
crushed they either get coerced and they
end up oftentimes responding to that
kind of authoritarian treatment so we've
never had a chance to really pull it off
so it's only been a movement so far it's
an attempt to resist the greed at the
top the racism the sexism the homophobia
the various ways in which human manatee
is violated rather than affirmed so if a
government's obligation is to its own
citizens and you drop the borders and
have no border enforcement at all what
would happen to this country what would
happen to the poor people in this
country with their lives get better
would they become more prosperous no
this country would become poorer dirtier
impossible to manage it would be flooded
with the poor of the world and it would
destroy our country instantly so why
would you say no borders well that means
again no you got a variety of voices in
the Democratic Socialist of America we
like a jazz orchestra you've got
different perspectives and orientations
we all don't agree on one particular
policy all the time this is true in
terms of Israeli occupation of
Palestinian some are in the middle some
are much more critical like myself the
question is how do you keep track of the
rich Humanity of Mexican brothers and
sisters of those comes from Latin
America those come from Africa those
come from Haiti and those come from
Europe and Asia that's the important
thing we know the history of America
that indigenous peoples and Africans
who've been enslaved was to open the
borders the green folk in - how do you
think
not a matter of no borders at all it's a
matter of how you ensure that their
dignity is affirmed when they arise so
that you don't end up as we had
neo-fascist policies of the Trump
administration separating these precious
children from their their mother decides
that's silly as you well know but how do
you think that the descendants what
Americans say well what is it like the
descendants of American slaves benefit
when you bring in 25 million illegals
illegal immigrants from the third world
does that elevate poor Americans I don't
see any evidence that they get richer or
happier when you bring in more poor
people you ignore their problems that's
why we don't pay any attention but if we
were having this discussion 100 years
ago and you had millions of people
coming from jew-hating Europe Irish
hating Britain and Ireland I mean all
the folk who came into the making of
slices of this nation they did not allow
for the kind of coming together with
poor and working people would be able to
straighten their backs up and speak with
dignity and decency about issues that
affect all of us that's the history of
the nation with the exception of the
African slaves and the presence
indigenous people so the idea that
somehow now that the immigrants are here
and a lot of the immigrants have only
been here one or two generations now
become the definitive Authority defining
what it is to be an American how
hypocritical can you get I've been here
nine generations coming out of enslaved
people and I can still embrace my
Mexican brothers and sisters I can
embrace the whole host of others coming
from around myself as a question of
making sure their dignity is affirmed
when they get here Cornel West ladies
and gentlemen well the New York Times
has a question for you is it okay for
your kids to be friends with white
people they actually ask that will tell
you why coming up
live from America's News headquarters
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General Jeff Sessions over the recent
indictments of two GOP congressmen
tweeting to long-running Obama era
investigations of two very popular
Republican congressman were brought to a
well-publicized charge just ahead of the
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Jeff the indicted congressman are duncan
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our special edition of Tucker Carlson
tonight
welcome back to a special edition of
Tucker Carlson tonight can your children
be friends with white people that's an
actual question posed by an actual
person in an actual newspaper The New
York Times the author wasn't optimistic
about the answer quote I will teach my
boys the lessons generation old he wrote
I will teach them caution I will teach
them suspicions I will teach them
distrust I will teach my boys to have
profound doubts that friendship with
white people is possible those doubts of
course mirrored the writers own as he
put it quote history has provided little
reason for people of color to trust
white people the piece remained one of
the most popular on the new york times
weds website four days after it ran law
professor ikaw yep Janka wrote the piece
and we spoke to him here it is you're
making generalizations across racial
groups so you say for example I will
have to discuss my boys whether they can
truly be friends with white people
histories provided a little reason for
people of color to trust white people I
profound doubts that friendship with
white people as possible again weren't
your right you know I was mugged as a
pizza delivery boy and I told my
children that they should never trust
anyone who looks like the people who
mugged me that would be I would never do
that I think that would be immoral but
it would be the definition of racism
because I would be equated the people
who mugged me with everyone else who
looks like that I think if that's the
only part of the article you read it
might sound like that but of course the
article has a much richer argument and
the argument I make is look in a country
where it turns out that when the most
vulnerable people of color under threat
those who they count on are nowhere to
be seen or at least for some group of
people and I speak explicitly about the
political moment we're in today right so
if we have a president who marshals
forces of hatred and anger and
divisiveness and frankly just danger
quite aside from who he is I'm not
particularly interested in who he is if
the people who call themselves your
friends are not going to push back
against that
then maybe you can tell me why it is I
should trust those people so I guess
what you're saying is that people who
don't agree with your politics can't be
your friends which i think is an
unfortunate conclusion to reach but it's
different from the one you articulate
here you're making again
for the third time generalizations based
on race and the truth about the last
election is this is not a defensive
Donald Trump merely an acknowledgment of
the fact that he received more
african-american votes in any Republican
since 2004 to get 8% of african-american
men so that's not a huge people are they
in the same category too can you not
trust them I mean I do a really
understand if you're saying it's less
drunk voters fine white people I mean
that's a grotesque generalization I'm a
little worried that you keep reading the
same parts without I mean you would make
it seem as though the entire piece was
just that paragraph so the piece goes on
to say title of the piece and it's in
separate graphs yeah so I have no
problem standing beyond the title of the
piece but it is worth pointing out as I
have again and again what the piece says
is when those who count themselves as
your friend see that others put you in
danger it is their opportunity to prove
they're your friend and if we have app
let's be let's just speak plainly about
this Tucker you have children like I do
right I do and if your daughters were I
don't know friendly with a group of
people and it just turned out that
repeatedly when they went out and your
daughters were in danger those group of
young men just disappeared
I think at some point you tell your
daughters look it's fine to be friendly
with them but these are not your friends
because I'm not a racist what I wouldn't
say is anybody of a certain race falls
into that category I would never do that
again
if one of my daughter's was mugged by
someone of a certain color I would never
say to my daughter that's more evidence
you can never trust anyone who looks
like that because I would be inculcating
race hatred in my children as anymore so
what well I mean obviously I deny that
look what I said over and over was we
live in a country where we ought and
pretend that these divides have not
consistently been on racial grounds and
we see that over and over and over when
black people are in danger when yeah
when black
in danger from say addiction we get
policing when white people are in danger
from diction they get rehabilitation
when black people don't have jobs we get
stories about why we're making the wrong
choices when white people's don't have
jobs we get a presidential campaign
about the Forgotten class except them
I'm gonna go ahead and I'll finish and
then I'm happy to hear your point of
view so if it's the case that we live in
a country where these divides have
always consisted in racial then I think
it's not only delusional but it would be
dangerous of me not to teach my boys
that when they walk out in the world
there'll be a world that treats them
differently should I say the same thing
to my children yeah African American law
professors who dislike you because of
your color and you should just like him
back yeah all african-american law
professor I would never say that because
that's grotesque if I don't teach my
boys how to be cautious how to be
careful how to be perceived in the right
way all right
I'm not just risking their feelings
being hurt I'm risking their bodies
being should I teach my kids that you
don't teach your daughters to be
cautious until they can be sure that the
men around them are trustworthy you
don't that's not what the conversation
is about it's not about sex it's about
race right so I don't serve them that
they owe them to be sure is between the
races so to be sure it's fine for you to
care for your daughters and make sure
that they're healthy and well but if I
care for my sons
ladies and gentlemen we're out of time
thank you professor I appreciate it
you're coming on and explaining that
thank you a prominent New York feminist
says that opponents of abortion want to
force women to get pregnant somehow
so explain their rates because of her
first accident Liberty Mutual Insurance
forcing women to have children now let's
let's get this line because I wonder how
many people actually but I mean I think
most our viewers know that what you're
saying is pure lunacy and dishonest and
you do too but let's just sort of just
for fun reverse engineers for a second
so who is taking away the right to have
an abortion I think the law I don't
think I know because I just I read it
the proposed regulation change would
just make it less likely that taxpayers
have to pay for abortion is that the
same payers do not pay for abortions in
this country tax payers do not pay for
abortion they don't well a billion
dollars to largest
your pay for abortions in the content
right in the case of rape and if a woman
is dying those are two situations since
1977 look you're you're spewing
propagate here it's like we pay tax
payers at gunpoint half a billion to
Planned Parenthood which provides
commits more abortion than anybody else
in the country so now they say it
doesn't point I'm not joking you just
talk about is it what is it gunpoint if
you don't pay your taxes they come and
arrest you the cops arrest you so you
don't pay your taxes voluntarily you do
it because the government backs it up
with the threat of force give me a
moment to speak it what everybody should
understand also is planned parenthood
works just like any other medical
provider they don't they get reimbursed
for the procedures they perform that are
approved by the government
so they get they get a reimbursement for
an STD testing they get reimbursed for
all those other services they do but not
for abortion but I want to talk about
the what hold on you take it a lot of
moments to talk so let me just ask you
one question which is four minutes you
think you think abortion is a
constitutional right I think the right
to bear arms is because I've read the
bill of rights
why shouldn't taxpayers be forced to
subsidize the NRA or buy my guns now who
is talking lunacy
and who is being dishonest was that a
for Ana for your giving the moral
lecture but it's my question I think
it's interesting question I want I want
viewers to know that one and for women
in this country have an abortion you're
not I'm not answering your question no
because it's question dear viewers and
I'm trying to speak to them one in four
women had an abortion in this country
the reason why it's gone because we have
teen pregnancy prevention programs that
have been successful
no no but them and right now that's ask
you a question why I never liked to talk
to abortion people because they just
shocked I didn't see programs don't make
me turn you off please they're gonna
they wanted to convert that to
abstinence only education
all right Sonia I tried it was a
good-faith effort I'm really tried I
hate cutting people off but you were
just too obnoxious I'm sorry the left
wants cheap banned straws and put you in
jail for using him not making that up by
the way what's going next
welcome back to a special edition of
Tucker Carlson tonight first they came
for your Winston's then your big gulps
then your incandescent light bulbs now
liberals want to take your straws here's
what Straub an advocate do knives had to
tell us about it I don't think it's
crazy to worry about what plastic does
to sea animals and I'm really bothered
by the effect that straws have on
turtles honestly I mean it sounds maybe
dumb to some of our viewers I don't like
that I guess what bothers me is the
solution
now the overwhelming majority of plastic
waste in the ocean does not come from
the United States we're not a big
littering country it comes from Asia as
you know so why not put pressure on the
Asian countries that are dumping this
crap into the oceans and leave American
restaurant diners alone well first it's
really a pleasure to be on the show to
talk with you about plastic pollution
and you're right America is in the top
20 of polluters of plastic when compared
to all the other countries around the
world yeah we should be focusing
everywhere at the same time so our
campaign when we started it just two
years ago it wasn't an anti straw
campaign it was really intended to raise
awareness about the state of plastic
pollution not just in the United States
but elsewhere and since we've launched
it we've had requests from folks in
India Indonesia Taiwan Vietnam even in
China which might be a surprise but even
in China to say well what can I do about
the plastic pollution crisis not
necessarily the straw but really the
plastic pollution crisis overall and
again I think I'm kind of for that I
guess what bothers me is the emphasis so
threatening diners or restaurants in
Santa Barbara with jail time if they
give out straws probably less effective
than saying to China
hey you're despoiling the earth , which
they are , and nobody ever says anything
about it because they're like a
third-world country and we feel super
guilty and we can't tell them what to do
but they're responsible for the bulk of
the pollution in the world and you guys
never say anything about it I actually
hate pollution I hate littering right I
hate
and I don't think you should hurt
animals if you don't have to I really
believe that okay so I conceded that but
let's just be real for a second of all
the problems that we face like fifty
thousand people died of opioid Odie's
last year our straws in Santa Barbara
really kind of in the top hundred
problems like why aren't we focusing on
the things that matter most well I think
focusing on plastic pollution now is
important to do we're expected to see an
increase in plastic production and still
not an increase in waste management
infrastructure globally over the next 10
to 15 years it's only going to get worse
Tucker and as you know as a Fisher the
last thing you want to do is you want to
see plastic pollution in the waters
where you feel ok but but honestly if I
mean the law of unintended consequences
cannot be repealed so if you ban straws
companies start making plastic sippy
tops which is more plastic than the
straws did so maybe that's not a success
right ok so I mean sort of like banning
drinking except out of your hands what's
the solution there well then we would
all need plastic bibs to be able to
protect our clothes and that wouldn't be
part of the solution either would it
what I'm really excited for there are
companies like Dell corporation human
scale interface others that actually are
working with countries like Indonesia
and Chile and even in the Philippines to
say how do we take all of that plastic
waste that's on your beaches on your
river beds and your shorelines
and how do we help you build
infrastructure and then take that waste
product and actually turn it into chairs
is meat murder our next guest says yes
it is and we should be required to give
it up for good that's next
so breaking this evening on this Labor
Day the president appears to be working
over his attorney-general yet again
tweeting this a short time ago to
long-running Obama era investigations of
two very popular Republican congressman
were brought to a well-publicized charge
just ahead of the midterms by the Jeff
Sessions Justice Department two easy
wins now in doubt because there is not
enough time good job Jeff so the latest
attack comes on the eve of a monumental
day for this president just hours from
now the confirmation hearings for his
nominee to the Supreme Court Brett
Kavanaugh will get underway reports
indicate Cavanaugh spent the weekend in
a building not too far from here he went
through the so-called murder board
gauntlet getting ready for what is sure
to be an intense round of questioning
they are so thorough they reportedly
included fake protesters to make sure
that Cavanaugh knows how to handle
himself in the event of an outburst if
confirmed Cavanaugh would solidify a
conservative majority on the Supreme
Court presumably for decades to come and
Democrats not gonna let that happen
without a fight
already slamming these hearings before
they begin earlier I spoke with all
about all of this with chairman of the
Senate Judiciary Committee Senator Chuck
Grassley let's start with judge
Cavanaugh and get your thoughts on that
so the Democrats are very upset that a
hundred thousand documents are being
withheld basically due to executive
privilege in fact chuck schumer tweeted
this on saturday saying we're witnessing
a Friday night document massacre
he called it president Trump's decision
to step in on the last moment and hide a
hundred thousand pages from the records
is not only unprecedented in the history
of SCOTUS noms it has all the markings
of a cover-up Amy Klobuchar here she is
on Meet the Press talking about some of
the documents that she saw the contents
of and she thinks other people should do
you could ask some very interesting
questions about these documents that I'm
unable to even say because I'm not able
to make them public so why are they
being withheld yeah I've told every
member that
that if they have some documents that
under the presidential Records Act
cannot be made public for personal
reasons or for presidential reasons that
all they have to do is ask us and we'll
get those documents and it happens that
senator Klobuchar asked for about 12
pages of documents she has them she'll
be able to ask questions based on those
no other senators asked for any
documents whatsoever so she will be able
to raise what she read in there and ask
questions based on it it's not being
hidden no so she's not telling the truth
and the only thing that would be
different is if there's something in
there that needs to be secured then we
would have to close the doors and get
people out and have it asked in the
executive session but she's going to be
able to ask those questions all right
and Dick Durbin yesterday was talking to
Chris Wallace he said you know it's
unprecedented to only get 6% of the
documents with regard to the work that
Judge Cavanaugh did when he worked in
the White House both as the secretary to
the President and as counsel that's six
percent is of what the archivist said is
possibly going to be a total number that
would be available but because of
computer software and the immolation
elimination of duplications and for
other reasons that's there's a much
smaller number for instance I originally
said back in July there might be a
million pages available getting rid of
duplicates and for other things that you
don't need we have a down now to about
four hundred and eighty eight thousand
pages but remember this is more
documents than the last five Supreme
Court nominees have had total if you add
them all together this is more document
so it's just false
that's because he has a much deeper
paper trail of course he does he works
in the White House for a long long time
so they ought to say praise the Lord
we've got more to ask for besides don't
forget three hundred and seven opinions
he wrote and
both Schumer and Leahy have said like
lay he said this in cases sort of my ear
we know what you stand for because
you've got a lot of opinions that's the
best basis for making your judgement if
you ought to be on the Supreme Court
well the Kavanagh has been on this
circuit court for 12 years and has a
massive number of pages I think 16,000
pages of decisions he's written that's
the best way to make a decision whether
it's sure you should be on the court so
I think you're hearing from a lot of
people they can't find anything wrong
with the qualifications that Cavanaugh
and so many Democrats have said even
before he's nominated they were going to
vote against anybody that was on that
list so the bottom line is how much more
do you need to know vote no a good
question one of the potential hot-button
areas is going to be his take on whether
or not a sitting president can be
indicted
he went after President Clinton hard
when he worked for Ken Starr and then he
later said a president who was concerned
about an ongoing criminal investigation
is almost inevitably going to do a worse
job as president so doesn't that
contradict the stance that he took with
President Clinton I think those
statements say exactly what we want on
the Supreme Court somebody in his
instance said Congress needs to
legislate in this area he's not a person
that's going to be on the court to fill
in the details that Congress left vacant
that's not his job he's not a super
legislator he's supposed to interpret
law so he's telling Congress fill in the
details he's not saying a president is
above the law he's saying that when
you're president United States you might
not be prosecuted but you soon as they
get hot being president all right I want
to go to a tweet that you sent out and
we'll put this up it says at POTUS and
at FLOTUS my prayer is that our
president can be as disciplined in his
discourse in speeches like the last two
weeks before his election then we will
be successful in the next two months
like he was successful and you saw the
what he just said about just sessions I
read it as we came into the segment here
it doesn't sound like he's listening to
you well he needs to think in terms of
what did it take to win the election
because going up to about three weeks
before the election it didn't look like
he was going to win and then he followed
a very disciplined approach to it and he
got over the hump
and he can help the Republican Party a
lot by being the same disciplined person
coming up to the midterm election I
thought I was interesting that you also
employed the help of the first lady in
that tweet as well you wrote it to both
of them
Barbara Grassley has a lot of influence
on me I assume that mrs. Trump has a lot
of influence on him all right what about
Jeff Sessions do you think he should lay
off or should he let Jeff Sessions go
well I think for one thing this is the
president's choice I have always said
that a president should be able to have
who he can be comfortable with I
consider Jeff Sessions a very personal
friend I think that that he could be
more aggressive in running the
department are you surprised that that
the prosecution's are going forward
against Chris Collins and Duncan hunter
during the run-up to the midterm
election not because maybe they didn't
do something maybe they did something
wrong but the reason why is I thought
that the that the the ethics or the
standards within the Justice Department
is that after getting close to election
you didn't prosecute people you
prosecutor in the math to the election
so you didn't interfere with you know I
have Jeff sessions on this the president
was I don't know whether I'd be critical
of sessions on this because he expects
his people he puts in as US attorneys do
their job it's just my understanding
it's contrary to what the Justice
Department normally does things that you
don't do things that would influence an
election senator Grassley thank you for
being here good to see you tonight thank
you
coming up next Elizabeth Warren is one
of the president's favorite targets
Pocahontas is not happy she's done
she's the worst but newly released
documents about that name-calling
stirring up a whole new controversy
tonight we'll be right back
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