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>>ANNOUNCER: TODAY ON THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW:

RAVI ZACHARIAS ANSWERS THE SKEPTICS. RAVI GREW UP

IN INDIA WHERE HIS ANCESTORS BELONGED TO THE HIGHEST CASTE

OF HINDU PRIESTS.

BUT ONE DAY HE HEARD THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST

AND BECAME A CHRISTIAN.

HE HAS GONE ON TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST BRILLIANT

CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST'S IN THE WORLD, TRAVELING TO MORE

THAN 70 COUNTRIES AND SPEAKING AT THE MOST

PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITIES, NOTABLY HARVARD, PRINCETON,

DARTMOUTH, JOHNS HOPKINS, AND OXFORD UNIVERSITY.

HE ADDRESSED THE WRITERS OF THE PEACE ACCORD IN SOUTH

AFRICA AND MILITARY OFFICERS AT THE LENIN MILITARY ACADEMY

AND THE CENTER FOR GEOPOLITICAL STRATEGY

IN MOSCOW. THREE TIMES HE HAS BEEN INVITED TO SPEAK

AT THE ANNUAL PRAYER BREAKFAST AT THE UNITED NATIONS IN

NEW YORK,AND HE HAS ADDRESSED THE NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFASTS

IN THE SEATS OF GOVERNMENT IN OTTAWA, CANADA AND LONDON,

ENGLAND, AND SPOKEN AT THE CIA IN WASHINGTON, DC.

JOIN US TODAY FOR THIS SPECIAL EDITION

OF THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW.

>> JOHN ANKERBERG: WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM.

I'M JOHN ANKERBERG, THANKS FOR JOINING ME TODAY.

AS YOU HAVE JUST HEARD, WE HAVE A BRILLIANT GUEST

WITH US, CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST, PHILOSOPHER, THEOLOGIAN

RAVI ZACHARIAS.

AND WE ARE TALKING, WE ARE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT

STUDENTS HAVE GIVEN TO HIM, ON CAMPUS LIVE,

IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY COVERED

THE FAR EAST AND THE MIDDLE

EAST AND LAST WEEK EUROPE.

AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT QUESTIONS THAT HAVE

BEEN ASKED OF RAVI ABOUT GOD,

JESUS AND THE BIBLE AT PLACES

LIKE HARVARD AND DARTMOUTH

AND PRINCETON AND OTHER,

OTHER PLACES. AND SO, RAVI,

I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE.

AND HERE'S THE FIRST QUESTION FROM A STUDENT HERE

IN AMERICA: HOW CAN A GOD OF ALL POWER AND ALL LOVE

ALLOW FOR EVIL IN THIS WORLD, ESPECIALLY IF HE KNEW

IN ADVANCE THAT THE WORLD WOULD FALL APART AFTER HE CREATED IT,

AND WE WOULD HAVE ATROCITIES AND THE SICKNESS

AND THE SUFFERING THAT WE HAVE?

>>RAVI ZACHARIAS: I THINK, JOHN, THIS IS THE THORNIEST

QUESTION, TRULY THE ONE THAT PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE ASK.

SOMEONE PUT IT IN THESE WORDS, "VIRTUE IN DISTRESS,

AND VICE IN TRIUMPH HAS MADE ATHEISTS OF MANKIND."

OR WHAT ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON SAID, "NEVERMORE MORNING WERE

TO EVENING BUT THAT SOME HEART DID BREAK."

IT IS A... IT IS A PAINFUL QUESTION IN ITSELF, BECAUSE

IT DEALS WITH PAIN.

PAIN IS A REAL THING; IT'S NOT AN IMAGINARY THING.

THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT ONE CAN APPROACH AN ANSWER,

BUT C.S. LEWIS USED TO REMIND

US THAT IT IS CRITICALLY

IMPORTANT TO EXAMINE

THE ASSUMPTIONS WITHIN

A QUESTION. AND I REMEMBER

YEARS AGO AT THE UNIVERSITY

OF NOTTINGHAM WHEN I'D FINISHED A TALK,

WHEN A PERSON STOOD UP, A STUDENT STOOD UP AND SHOUTED

FROM THE FLOOR AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "THERE IS TOO MUCH

OF EVIL IN THIS WORLD, THERE CAN'T BE A GOD; THERE'S TOO

MUCH OF EVIL AND SUFFERING IN THIS WORLD." AND THE IRONY

OF THAT QUESTION TO ME WAS, YOU KNOW, I COME FROM

THE EAST, I NOW LIVE IN THE WEST. I DON'T EVER

REMEMBER BEING ASKED THIS QUESTION IN THE EAST.

NOW THEY DO BECAUSE OF ALL THE CROSS-POLLINATION OF

THINKING AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT IT'S HARDLY EVER ADDRESSED. IN ISLAM YOU HARDLY

EVER FIND A BOOK DEALING WITH THIS SUBJECT.

IT'S INSHA'ALLAH, IT'S THE WILL OF ALLAH,

YOU KNOW. AND IN THE PANTHEISTIC SYSTEM

IT'S KARMA; YOU ARE PAYING YOUR DEBT AND SO ON.

IT'S IN THE WESTERN WORLD, WHERE WE ACTUALLY LIVE WITH

THE GREATEST COMFORTS, THAT WE RAISE THE QUESTION

ABOUT PAIN AND SUFFERING.

BUT THIS ENGLISHMAN RAISED IT, AND I SAID TO HIM,

"WHY DON'T I MAKE IT CLEAR FIRST, WHY YOU ARE ASKING

THIS QUESTION, AND WHAT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE."

I SAID, "WHEN YOU SAY THERE IS EVIL, AREN'T YOU ASSUMING

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS GOOD?" HE PAUSED

AND HE SAID, "YES." I SAID, "WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S SUCH

A THING IS GOOD, AREN'T YOU ASSUMING THERE IS SUCH A THING

AS A MORAL LAW ON THE BASIS OF WHICH TO DIFFERENTIATE

BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL?"

HE STRUGGLED WITH THIS AND WE INTERACTED, AND FINALLY

HE SAID, "YEAH, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN OBJECTIVE

MORAL STANDARD FROM WHICH TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD

AND EVIL." I SAID, "WHEN YOU SAY THERE IS

A MORAL LAW, YOU MUST POSIT A MORAL LAWGIVER.

BUT THAT'S WHOM YOU ARE TRYING TO DISPROVE AND NOT

PROVE. BECAUSE IF THERE IS NO MORAL LAW GIVER,

THERE IS NO MORAL LAW; IF THERE'S NO MORAL LAW,

THERE'S NO GOOD; IF THERE'S NO GOOD, THERE'S NO EVIL.

WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?"

[CHUCKLE] AND HE LOOKED AT ME, PAUSED AND HE SAID,

"WHAT THEN AM I ASKING YOU?"

NOW THIS WAS YEARS AGO.

I SAID, "I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ME, AND I'M NOT TRYING

TO MAKE IT HARD FOR YOU.

IT'S AN EXISTENTIALLY FELT QUESTION THAT OFTEN

DOESN'T EXAMINE THE LOGICAL PRESUPPOSITIONS WITHIN THIS.

GOD HAS TO REMAIN IN THE PARADIGM FOR THE QUESTION

TO BE REAL, AND THEREFORE THE ANSWER HAS TO COME FROM

WHAT GOD'S PURPOSES AND GOD, GOD'S DESCRIPTION IS

ALL ABOUT REALITY."

IN A RECENT BOOK THAT I CO-AUTHORED WITH VINCE VITALI,

MY COLLEAGUE FROM OXFORD, WE CALLED IT WHY SUFFERING?.

MY OPENING CHAPTER WAS WHAT IS CALLED THE TRILEMMA.

GOD IS ALL POWERFUL, GOD IS ALL LOVING AND THERE IS EVIL;

THAT'S THE TRILEMMA, THE THREE REALITIES THAT

J.L. MACKIE, THE AUSTRALIAN PHILOSOPHER, SAYS

ARE INCOHERENT. GOD IS ALL POWERFUL; GOD IS LOVING;

EVIL EXISTS; HE SAYS IT'S AN INCOHERENCE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS IT A TRILEMMA

AND NOT A QUADRILEMMA OR A QUINTILLEMA? INTRODUCE

ONE MORE: GOD IS ALL-KNOWING.

THAT'S ALSO A BELIEF WE HAVE.

AND NUMBER FIVE, GOD IS

ETERNAL. GOD IS NOT JUDGING

EVERYTHING JUST IN TIME,

THERE'S AN ETERNITY.

SO IT IS NOT JUST THE... THE,

THE QUESTION IS STACKED

WHEN IT IS STACKED AS

A TRILEMMA. GOD IS ALSO

ALL-KNOWING AND ETERNITY

ALSO EXISTS AS A REALITY.

AND MAYBE THOSE EXPLANATIONS

CAN COME IN ETERNITY.

LET ME JUST MOVE TO TWO QUICK ANSWERS ON THIS. THERE IS

A YOUNG GAL IN GEORGIA WHERE I LIVE. I LIVE IN ATLANTA.

AND SHE, HER FIRST NAME IS ASHLYN. AND ONE DAY

HER MOTHER WAS ON A TELEVISION PROGRAM DISCUSSING A STRANGE

PROBLEM THAT SHE HAS, WHICH IS CALLED CIPA,

CONGENITAL INSENSITIVITY TO PAIN WITH ANHIDROSIS.

SHE CANNOT FEEL PAIN AND HER SWEAT GLANDS DON'T WORK.

THE PROBLEM MAY SOUND GOOD-YOU DON'T FEEL IN

ANY PAIN. BUT THE REALITY IS, IF SHE STEPS ON A NAIL WHILE

SHE IS ON THE SPORTS FIELD, IT COULD PUNCTURE THE SKIN,

CREATE AN INFECTION, AND NOBODY COULD BE EVEN AWARE

OF IT. THE MOTHER SAID THE PROBLEMS IT HAS CREATED

IN HER LIFE, FOR WHAT THIS MALADY BRINGS INTO

HER BODY. SHE SAYS, "I PRAY ONE PRAYER

EVERY NIGHT, 'GOD, PLEASE LET MY DAUGHTER HELP TO FEEL

PAIN.'" SHE COULD PUT HER HAND ON A BURNER AND NOT KNOW

THAT HER HAND IS BURNING.

NOW MY QUESTION IS THIS.

IF, IN OUR FINITE EXISTENCE, WE CAN SEE THE ROLE OF PAIN

TO WARN US THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR

GOD, IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM, TO ALLOW PAIN IN OUR LIVES TO

HELP US KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG? PAIN IS FELT

WITH MORAL CONNOTATIONS IN THE HUMAN FRAMEWORK.

THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE MORAL BEINGS; THEREFORE, THE ANSWER

HAS TO COME FROM WITHIN A MORAL SPIRITUAL FRAMEWORK

AS WELL. THE QUESTION ASSUMES MORAL REASONING, AND THAT CAN

ONLY BE ASSUMED IF GOD IS IN THE PARADIGM,

NOT PARADIGN...

NOT OUTSIDE OF IT.

>>ANKERBERG: YEAH AND YOU'VE ALSO SAID THERE'S ONLY THREE

OR FOUR OPTIONS FOR EXISTENCE THAT WE CAN IMAGINE.

GO THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS FOR THE FOLKS SO THEY CAN

HEAR THEM.

>>ZACHARIAS: YES. I THINK YOU CAN HAVE IT THIS WAY.

NUMBER ONE, GOD COULD HAVE CREATED NOTHING AT ALL,

THAT IS FOUR POSSIBLE WORLDS, AS IT WERE-GOD COULD HAVE

CREATED NOTHING; SO WE WOULDN'T BE THERE

TO BLAME HIM AND HE WOULD BE SELF-EXISTENT AND SO ON.

NUMBER TWO, GOD COULD HAVE CREATED A WORLD WHERE THERE

WERE NO SUCH THING AS GOOD OR EVIL; IT WOULD BE

AN AMORAL WORLD.

NUMBER THREE, GOD COULD HAVE CREATED A WORLD WHERE

WE WOULD ONLY CHOOSE GOOD, PROGRAMMED JUST TO CHOOSE

GOOD. OR NUMBER FOUR, GOD COULD HAVE CREATED

THIS WORLD WHERE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF

GOOD AND EVIL, AND WE WILL THEN CHOOSE GOOD FOR WHAT

IS BETTER FOR US. THE FOURTH WORLD IS THE ONLY WORLD,

JOHN, IN WHICH LOVE IS POSSIBLE. IN THE OTHER THREE

PARADIGMS THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF LOVE,

NO WORLD CREATED, NO CREATED ORDER FOR FINITE BEINGS.

HOW DO FINITE BEINGS LOVE?

WHERE THERE IS AN AMORAL WORLD, NO SUCH THING AS GOOD

OR EVIL, THEREFORE LOVE COULD NOT BE THE SUPREME ETHIC.

WHERE WE WOULD ONLY CHOOSE LOVE, THEN IT IS NOT

A CHOICE, IT IS PROGRAMMED FOR YOU, YOU ARE THEN A MACHINE.

OR THIS WORLD, WHERE GOOD AND EVIL WERE POSSIBLE, AND LOVE

COULD BE CHOSEN. IF LOVE IS A SUPREME ETHIC, WHICH IT IS,

SUPEREROGATORY LOVE IS A GREATER LOVE, WHERE

SOMETIMES YOU COULD EVEN RESCUE, AT THE COST OF YOUR

OWN LIFE, RESCUE A TOTAL STRANGER; THAT SUPEREROGATORY

ACT WHERE LOVE IS SEEN AS, SEEN AS A SUPREME EXPRESSION.

ALL OF THOSE REALITIES ARE ONLY POSSIBLE IN THIS WORLD.

AND THEN, I ACTUALLY HAVE TO SAY ONE MORE THING, JOHN.

WHEN YOU READ OTHER WORLDVIEWS. AND IN MY BOOK

WHY SUFFERING?, I POINT OUT THE WRITERS WHAT THEY HAVE

SAID IN OTHER WORLDVIEWS-ONLY IN THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN WORLD

IS THERE REALLY AN ANSWER, BROUGHT ABOUT BY SIN AND

THE HEALING WITHIN AND THE COMFORT GOD GIVES.

THERE WAS A WOMAN WHOSE BIOGRAPHY I READ,

ANNIE JOHNSON FLINT.

SUFFERED IMMENSELY, SHE WAS, WITH RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS,

CANCER, BLINDNESS AND INCONTINENT. LIVED YEARS

WITH PILLOWS AROUND HER JUST TO CUSHION THE SORES ON

HER BODY. AND SHE WROTE MANY HYMNS. ONE OF THEM WAS THIS,

"HE GIVETH MORE GRACE WHEN THE BURDENS GROW GREATER

HE SENDETH MORE STRENGTH WHEN THE LABORS INCREASED TO ADDED

AFFLICTION HE ADDETH HIS MERCY. TO MULTIPLIED TRIALS

HIS MULTIPLIED PEACE.

WHEN WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR STORE OF ENDURANCE

WHEN OUR STRENGTH HAS FAILED AND THE DAY IS HALF DONE

WHEN WE REACH THE END OF OUR HOARDED RESOURCES

OUR FATHER FULL GIVING HAS ONLY BEGUN. HIS LOVE HAS

NO LIMIT, HIS GRACE HAS NO MEASURE HIS POWER HAS

NO BOUNDARIES KNOWN UNTO MEN.

FOR OUT OF HIS INFINITE RICHES IN JESUS HE GIVETH

AND GIVETH AND GIVETH AGAIN."

GOD SUSTAINS US IN OUR PAIN AND SUFFERING."

WHEN I ENDURED MY BACK, I LIVED WITH PAIN I NEVER

EVER THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE.

I WOULD SIT IN THE, MY CAR SOMETIMES, HEAD ON

THE STEERING WHEEL, AND JUST CRY BECAUSE OF THREE

HERNIATED DISCS AND STENOSIS.

WONDERED WHERE I WAS HEADED WITH ALL OF THIS.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT; IT HAS TAUGHT ME HOW GOD'S GRACE

IS SUFFICIENT AND MADE ME FOREVER DEPENDENT ON HIM.

IN EFFECT, PAIN CAN BECOME GOD'S INVITATION TO LIVE.

ONE MORE THING:

"NOW ABIDE THESE THREE:

FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE. AND

THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE."

THESE ARE THE 3 EXCELLENCIES

OF LIFE. THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE

WITHOUT SUFFERING.

>>ANKERBERG: WE'RE TALKING WITH RAVI ZACHARIAS

AND, RAVI, HERE IS

THE QUESTION. A STUDENT ASKS,

"WHAT ABOUT THE LAW

OF NON-CONTRADICTION?

I FEEL LIKE CHRISTIANITY AT

ITS CORE VIOLATES THE DOCTRINE

OF NON-CONTRADICTION.

THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OF GOD

AS TRINITY CLAIMS THAT

GOD IS BOTH ONE AND THREE.

ARE CHRISTIANS VIOLATING

THIS LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION?"

>>ZACHARIAS: GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK WE AS CHRISTIANS

THINK A LOT ABOUT IT.

AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IT IS A REAL

ENIGMA TO THE MUSLIM MIND WHO THINKS WE ARE POLYTHEISTIC.

AND NOW HERE IN THE WEST IT IS RAISED AS A PROBLEM OF

VIOLATING THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION.

BUT, TWO OR THREE THINGS AS A BACKDROP THAT ARE IMPORTANT

HERE, JOHN, FOR THE LISTENER TO UNDERSTAND.

AND THE FIRST THING IS THIS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GOD, WHEN WE USE LANGUAGE ABOUT GOD,

THOMAS AQUINAS WAS SO GOOD IN THIS. HE SAID THERE ARE

THREE WAYS WE CAN USE LANGUAGE, UNIVOCALLY,

EQUIVOCALLY OR ANALOGICALLY.

UNIVOCALLY MEANING WHEN WE USE THE SAME WORD

IN TWO DIFFERENT SENTENCES WE MEAN THE SAME THING.

SO IF I SAY I LOVE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS LOVE YOU,

YOU IMMEDIATELY TAKE IT TO MEAN THE SAME THING;

IT'S THE SAME WORD.

BUT THEN COMES ALONG THE EQUIVOCATION.

I SAY TO YOU, "I LOVE YOU, JOHN, AND GOD LOVES YOU TOO."

I HAVE USED THE SAME WORD, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU KNOW

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT I ACTUALLY MEAN; BECAUSE

GOD LOVES YOU IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO THE WAY I LOVE YOU.

YOU SAY, WELL, IF IT'S AN EQUIVOCATION THERE,

WHAT DOES IT HELP ME TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE USING THE SAME

WORD? AQUINAS SAID THERE IS AN ANALOGICAL USAGE.

BY ANALOGY WE USE LANGUAGE ABOUT GOD. SO IF I SAY

I LOVE YOU AND YOU REFUSE TO LOVE ME, I WILL HURT.

I WILL HURT BECAUSE I HAVE LOST SOMETHING.

BUT IF I SAY GOD LOVES YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LOVE GOD,

GOD HURTS TOO.

I SAID BUT, JOHN, GOD HURTS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.

I HURT BECAUSE I HAVE LOST SOMETHING; WHEN GOD HURTS,

GOD HURTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOST SOMETHING.

THE ANALOGICAL USAGE RAISES THE WHOLE QUESTION OF GOD.

THAT'S WHY AQUINAS SAID GOD IS OFTENTIMES MORE

THE QUESTION THAN THE ANSWER, BECAUSE TO UNDERSTAND HIM.

SO HERE IS WHAT I SAY.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRINITY, HE IS ONE IN ONE

SENSE AND THREE IN ANOTHER SENSE. HE IS NOT ONE

AND THREE IN THE SAME SENSE.

WHY DO I SAY THAT?

GOD IS NOT A PHYSICAL QUANTITY OR AN ENTITY.

YOU AND I ARE PHYSICAL BEINGS; WE TALK OF ONE IN THREE

PHYSICALLY. GOD IS A SPIRITUAL BEING AT HIS CORE.

AND SO, WHEN WE TALK OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND

THE HOLY SPIRIT, C. S. LEWIS PUTS IT IN THESE TERMS.

HE SAID IF YOU HAVE ONE DIMENSION YOU CAN HAVE

A LINE; YOU HAVE TWO DIMENSIONS YOU HAVE

FIGURES; YOU HAVE THREE DIMENSIONS YOU HAVE

AN OBJECT. HE SAID THE MORE YOU RISE IN THE CAPACITY

OF DIMENSIONS, YOU HAVE THE SAME BASIC INFORMATION,

BUT IN A MORE COMPLEX FORM AS YOU RISE WITH

EACH DIMENSION. GOD IS NOT IN THE DIMENSION OF FINITUDE

THAT WE ARE. HE IS AN INFINITE BEING. THE DISCIPLES WERE

FISHERMAN; THEY KNEW ONE FISH AND THREE FISHES WERE NOT

THE SAME. THEY COULD QUANTITATIVELY KNOW

THE DIFFERENCE. BUT WHEN THEY CAME TO THIS TRUTH

OF THE TRINITY, THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,

THE FATHER WHO SENDS THE SON, THE FATHER AND THE SON

WHO SEND, WHO SEND THE HOLY SPIRIT,

THEY RECOGNIZED THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS TRUTH FOR WHAT IT WAS:

GOD WAS A BEING IN

RELATIONSHIP. AND I THINK

THIS IS KEY. HE IS A BEING

IN RELATIONSHIP.

NOW, GO BACK TO THE ABSTRACT NOTION OF ONE AND THREE.

THE GREATEST PURSUIT OF THE GREEK PHILOSOPHERS WAS

TO FIND UNITY IN DIVERSITY.

THEY SAW UNITY AS A PURSUIT, DIVERSITY AS A REALITY.

THAT'S WHY THEY CREATED UNIVERSITIES.

DEFINE UNITY IN DIVERSITY: THAT'S WHY AMERICA WAS

CREATED-E PLURIBUS UNUM, OUT OF THE MANY ONE.

BUT WHAT THEY COULD NOT FIND IN EDUCATION, WE FIND UNITY

AND DIVERSITY AS A PURSUIT; BECAUSE THERE'S UNITY

IN DIVERSITY IN THE FIRST CAUSE-THE UNITY IN DIVERSITY

IN THE COMMUNITY OF THE TRINITY. GOD IS A BEING

IN RELATIONSHIP.

THAT'S WHY WE HUNGER FOR RELATIONSHIP. THAT HUNGER

IS PLANTED WITHIN US; WHETHER IT'S HUSBAND, WIFE, OR

FRIEND OR PARENT AND CHILD; ALL OF THESE ARE REALITIES.

AND SO I SAY IF GOD WERE NOT A BEING IN RELATIONSHIP,

WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO SAY GOD IS LOVE? OR YOU SAY

GOD HAS SPOKEN. WHO IS HE SPEAKING TO? WHO IS HE LOVING?

HE WOULD END UP AS A MONAD IN NEED OF A CREATED ORDER

IN ORDER TO EXPRESS BOTH LOVE AND COMMUNICATION.

I THINK WE ARE TO LEAVE IT, AS MORTIMER ADLER SAID,

"IN THE MYSTERY AND THE MAJESTY OF THE COMPLEXITY

OF THE GODHEAD."

THAT HE IS A BEING IN RELATIONSHIP WHO LOVES US,

AND THERE IS A HIERARCHICAL REALITY WITHIN THAT

THAT'S ALSO A TRUE ASPECT.

TO ME THE TRINITY IS NOT ONLY A BEAUTIFUL ANSWER, I THINK

IT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION OF THE GREATEST PURSUIT OF

PHILOSOPHERS AND EXPERIENCE.

>>ANKERBERG; YEAH,

GREAT ANSWER.

AND I, I WANT YOU

TO FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A STORY, A PARABLE,

THAT YOU HAVE TOLD IN DIFFERENT PLACES,

THAT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS GOSPEL IS IN

OTHER TERMS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL IT. IT'S THE PARABLE

OF DESERT PETE.

>>ZACHARIAS: YEAH.

IT ALWAYS DATES ME, YOU KNOW.

MY WIFE SAYS TO ME THAT MY MUSIC DAYS DIED

IN THE 60'S; ALL OF THE MUSIC, THE SONGS I HUM, YOU KNOW.

ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN INDIA, EVEN THOSE THAT ARE

LISTENING FROM INDIA, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE GREATEST

SONGS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS MOHAMMED RAFI, OR MANNA DEY

OR LATA MANGESHKAR, THEY WERE ALL GREAT MUSICIANS OF

THE 60'S IN INDIA.

AND HERE WE HAVE THE GREAT SINGERS LIKE PRESLEY AND

ALL OF THOSE WHO MADE BIG-TIME.

BUT WHEN I WAS LISTENING AS A YOUNGSTER IN DELHI,

THERE WAS A SONG BY THE KINGSTON TRIO.

IT'S CALLED "DESERT PETE."

TALKED ABOUT A MAN WHO WAS WALKING THROUGH THE DESERT.

AND HE IS USING UP ALL THE BOTTLES OF WATER SLUNG

AROUND HIS SHOULDERS, AND REALIZES THE WATER IS GONE.

AND HE IS GOING TO DIE OF DEHYDRATION. UNTIL HE SEES

A PUMP AND HE WALKS OVER TO,... AND YOU KNOW,

I'M LISTENING TO THESE THINGS WITH THE HIDDEN MEANINGS,

YOU KNOW. HE LOOKS AT THE PUMP AND HE WANTS TO FIND WATER

THERE, BUT HE LIFTS THE ARM; THE SOUND OF METAL UPON METAL;

NO WATER. UNTIL HE SEES A TIN CAN SLUNG AROUND

THE NOZZLE. INSIDE THE TIN CAN IS A PAPER.

IN THE PAPER IS A MESSAGE.

IT SAYS, "DEAR PASSERBY, DON'T DESPAIR. THERE IS

A LOT OF WATER HERE, JUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS.

LOOK BELOW THE NOZZLE, THE PORTION OF SAND,

DIG IT OUT. UNDER THE SAND IS A BOTTLE OF WATER.

IT SHOULD BE FULL.

DON'T DRINK IT.

EMPTY IT OUT INTO THE CYLINDER, GRADUALLY

PRIMING THE PUMP WITH THE OTHER HAND, AND

THE SUCTION SYSTEM WILL BEGIN TO WORK. WATER WILL COME

GUSHING OUT. DRINK ALL THE WATER YOU WANT,

REFILL ALL THE BOTTLES YOU'VE GOT. DON'T FORGET

TO FILL UP THAT ONE BOTTLE AND PUT IT DOWN FOR

THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES.

WARNING: YOU ARE GOING TO BE TEMPTED TO DISBELIEVE

THIS NOTE AND CONSUME THAT ONE BOTTLE OF WATER

ON YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT AND FEEL IT.

YOU WILL SOON BE THIRSTY AGAIN AND SO WILL

EVERYBODY ELSE WHO COMES BY.

EMPTY IT OUT AS I HAVE INSTRUCTED IT TO YOU.

YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THE WATER YOU WANT AND

SO WILL THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES BY. SIGNED, DESERT PETE."

YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE THE SIGNATURE OF OUR LORD,

IN A LAND WHERE WE ARE PARCHED AND THIRSTY

FOR MEANING AND HOPE AND SALVATION. HE TELLS US WE HAVE

A CHOICE. WE CAN CONSUME OUR LIVES UPON OURSELVES.

AND WHERE DO WE END UP?

YOU SEE, THE LONELIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD IS NOT ONE WHO'S

WEARY OF PAIN, BUT ONE WHO IS WEARY OF PLEASURE.

THERE IS NO PLACE TO GO.

WE END UP EMPTY.

JESUS SAID, "EMPTY, EMPTY YOUR LIFE INTO MY HANDS.

I WILL GIVE YOU ETERNAL LIFE.

IF YOU CONSUME IT ON YOURSELF, YOU WILL SOON BE THIRSTY

AGAIN; YOU WILL SOON BE LONGING AND MEANING WILL

BE GONE." THAT'S WHAT HE SAID TO THE WOMAN AT THE WELL,

"I CAN GIVE YOU THE WATER SO THAT YOU WILL NEVER

THIRST AGAIN."

AND SO TO THE LISTENER I SAY THIS, ARE YOU HONEST WITH

YOURSELF IN YOUR SEARCH, THAT YOU REALLY ARE BEREFT

OF MEANING AND PURPOSE?

WITH ALL OF THE WEALTH YOU MAY HAVE AND ALL OF

THE EDUCATION, WHERE HAS IT BROUGHT YOU? DEEP INSIDE

YOU ARE STILL LONGING FOR THE MOST MEANINGFUL

RELATIONSHIP OF ALL. THAT WILL COME IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP

WITH JESUS CHRIST.

SUBMIT YOURSELF; POUR YOUR LIFE INTO HIS HANDS.

THAT'S THE STORY OF THE PARABLE OF DESERT PETE,

JOHN, AND IT'S THE STORY OF OUR LIVES WITH JESUS CHRIST.

>>ANKERBERG: I, I LOVE THAT STORY. AND IN THE FEW

MINUTES THAT WE'VE GOT LEFT, THINK OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE

WATCHING IN INDIA RIGHT NOW.

THINK OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE DIFFERENT STATES OF

EUROPE; DOWN IN AFRICA.

AND I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE

CONFUSED, OKAY.

THEY KNOW JESUS CHRIST WAS A HISTORICAL PERSON, AND

THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS THEY'VE GOT. THEY WANT

TO KNOW, HOW DOES IT IMPACT ME THAT HE LIVED?

AND MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE THEM BACK TO YOUR OWN STORY OF

HOW YOU STARTED, HOW YOU CAME IN CONTACT WITH JESUS CHRIST.

AND I WANT YOU TO LEAD THEM TO JESUS AND MAYBE OFFER

A MODEL PRAYER THAT THEY COULD INVITE CHRIST

INTO THEIR LIFE.

>>ZACHARIAS: YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO I WAS AT ONE OF

THE MOST DANGEROUS PRISONS IN AMERICA. IT'S CALLED

ANGOLA PRISON; OVER 5,000 PRISONERS, 85% OF THEM

ON LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.

AND AS I LOOKED AT THEM AND TALKED TO THEM, SOME AMAZING

STORIES EMERGED.

ONE OF THEM TOLD ME IT TOOK PRISON TO BRING HIM TO JESUS

CHRIST, AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK, HE WAS NOW FREER THAN

HE HAD EVER BEEN.

AND AS I SAW THAT, I REALIZED, THE WORST EFFECT

OF SIN IS NOT MANIFEST IN PAIN OR BODILY DEFACEMENT BUT IN

THE DISCROWNED FACULTIES, THE UNWORTHY LOVES,

THE LOW IDEALS THAT BRUTALIZE IN THE ENSLAVED SPIRIT.

WE ARE ENSLAVED IN OUR SPIRIT.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS; AND AT THE AGE OF 17 INVITED

JESUS CHRIST INTO MY LIFE.

AND THEN YEARS LATER I SAW MY FATHER DO IT;

HIGHLY-POWERED MAN IN INDIA WHO WALKED UP AT A CHURCH

SERVICE AND BENT AT THE ALTAR AND SURRENDERED HIS LIFE

TO CHRIST. MY WIFE SAID BY LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE

SHE COULD TELL WHEN HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO JESUS CHRIST.

FROM A HARD ANGRY MAN TO THE MOST TENDER MAN I HAD

EVER KNOWN. YOU ARE WATCHING THIS PROGRAM FOR A PURPOSE.

YOU ARE ENSLAVED ON THE INSIDE; ALL OF US

IS ENSLAVED ON THE INSIDE.

AND SO I SAY TO YOU, ARE YOU, DO YOU WANT TO BE FREE?

DO YOU WANT TO THAT, HAVE THAT FREEDOM FOR WHICH

GOD HAS CREATED AND DESIGNED YOU? IF SO, WHY DON'T YOU

BOW YOUR HEAD WITH ME AND PRAY WITH ME ONE LINE AT

A TIME. HE IS THE LIBERATOR; HE IS THE REDEEMER; HE FREES

YOU FROM THAT ENSLAVEMENT FROM WITHIN, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

JUST BOW YOUR HEAD NOW AND PRAY WITH ME.

HEAVENLY FATHER, YOU BROUGHT ME TO LISTEN TO THIS BY

YOUR WILL. THIS IS NO ACCIDENT.

I AM WATCHING THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU WANTED ME HERE.

TODAY I CRY OUT TO YOU.

I AM IN CHAINS ON THE INSIDE.

FREE ME FROM MY SIN, FORGIVE ME FOR MY SIN.

TAKE MY WILL AND MAKE IT YOURS.

MAKE ME A NEW PERSON AND LET MY LIFE FOLLOW YOUR ROADMAP.

I NEED YOU. I WANT YOU.

I SUBMIT TO YOU, LORD JESUS.

BE MY SAVIOR FROM NOW ON.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY PRAYER. IN YOUR HOLY NAME

I ASK THIS, AMEN.

>>ANKERBERG: WONDERFUL, RAVI.

AND, FOLKS, I HOPE THAT YOU DID SAY THAT PRAYER.

OR IF YOU'RE STILL THINKING

ABOUT IT, THAT'S OKAY.

AT OUR WEBSITE, JASHOW.ORG,

YOU CAN FIND A PLACE WHERE

IT SAYS, "TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST

OR TO PRAY AND ACCEPT JESUS

AS YOUR SAVIOR." AND IT WILL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE

INFORMATION ABOUT HIM, BUT IT WILL ALSO GIVE

YOU A MODEL PRAYER THAT YOU CAN PRAY. IF YOU HAVE PRAYED

THAT PRAYER, THERE IS SOME ENCOURAGEMENT;

THERE'S SOME PROMISES FOR YOU ON HOW TO LIVE WITH

THE LORD JESUS. YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. YOU HAVEN'T

EXPERIENCED HIS POWER IN EVERYTHING. SO JUST TAKE

IT STEP BY STEP. GOD LOVES YOU AND HE'LL WORK WITH YOU

JUST WHERE YOU'RE AT.

RAVI, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BREAKING INTO YOUR BUSY

SCHEDULE AND COMING AND SHARING THESE SIX PROGRAMS

WITH ALL OF OUR AUDIENCE.

AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR SCHOLARSHIP AND ALL OF

THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO TACKLING THESE TOUGH

QUESTIONS, AND FOR YOUR COURAGE TO TAKE ON AUDIENCES

ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE YOU BACK IN THE FUTURE.

AND, FOLKS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO GET ALL OF

THE INFORMATION THAT RAVI HAS PRESENTED TO US DURING

THESE SIX PROGRAMS, JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION, STAY TUNED.

WE'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.

>>ANNOUNCER: IF YOU WOULD

LIKE TO HAVE ALL

OF THE INFORMATION IN

OUR NEW SERIES, RAVI ZACHARIAS

ANSWERS QUESTIONS FROM EUROPE,

THE MIDDLE EAST AND AMERICA.

AREN'T ALL RELIGIONS

BASICALLY THE SAME?

ISN'T JESUS JUST ONE OF MANY PROPHETS?

ISN'T IT UNFAIR TO CLAIM THAT ALL

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED

BEFORE CHRISTIANITY

ARE DAMNED TO HELL?

IS THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OF

THE TRINITY, THAT GOD IS BOTH

ONE AND THREE, A VIOLATION OF

THE LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION?

IF GOD IS ALL POWERFUL,

AND ALL LOVING, WHY WOULD

HE CHOOSE TO CREATE A WORLD

HE KNEW WOULD FALL APART

AND BRING SO MUCH EVIL AND

SUFFERING? IT'S AVAILABLE

ON DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49.

THEN OUR SECOND SERIES IS CALLED

RAVI ZACHARIAS ANSWERS SKEPTICS,

IT IS AVAILABLE

FOR A GIFT OF $49.

IN THIS SERIES RAVI DESCRIBES

HOW HE GREW UP IN INDIA WHERE

HIS ANCESTORS BELONGED TO

THE HIGHEST CASTE OF HINDU

PRIESTS. IN A LAND OF

330 MILLION DEITIES

HE OFTEN PONDERED LIFE'S

MEANING, BUT FINALLY LOST

HOPE AND ATTEMPTED

TO TAKE HIS OWN LIFE.

WHILE IN THE HOSPITAL A MAN

GAVE HIM A BIBLE AND HE READ

JESUS' WORDS "BECAUSE I LIVE,

YOU SHALL ALSO LIVE."

HE THEN GAVE HIS LIFE TO

JESUS CHRIST AND WENT ON

TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST

BRILLIANT CHRISTIAN

APOLOGISTS IN THE WORLD.

IN THIS SERIES HE ALSO

ANSWERS THE QUESTION

"CAN MAN LIVE WITHOUT GOD?"

AND SUMMARIZES A LECTURE

SERIES HE WAS ASKED TO GIVE

AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY.

AND THEN THIRD HE ANSWERS

THE MOST ASKED QUESTIONS

HE RECEIVES FROM STUDENTS

IN THE FAR EAST. THE THREE

PROGRAMS IN THIS IMPORTANT

SERIES ARE AVAILABLE ON DVD

FOR A GIFT OF $49 U.S.

THEN THIRD, WE HAVE WRITTEN

TWO NEW STUDY GUIDES WITH

EXTENSIVE NOTES THAT PARALLEL

OUR TWO TELEVISION SERIES.

EACH STUDY GUIDE CONTAINS

THREE SESSIONS FOR YOUR

PERSONAL STUDY OR BIBLE STUDY

GROUP AND IS AVAILABLE FOR

A GIFT OF $8 EACH OR FOR FIVE

OR MORE COPIES FOR $5 EACH.

AND FINALLY IF YOU WISH

TO ORDER ALL FOUR OF THESE

ITEMS TOGETHER, THAT IS

BOTH TELEVISION SERIES

PLUS THE TWO STUDY GUIDES,

THEY ARE AVAILABLE TOGETHER

IN A SPECIAL PACKAGE FOR ONLY

$99 U.S. THOSE OF YOU LIVING

IN AMERICA OR CANADA,

YOU MAY ORDER THIS SERIES

NOW BY CALLING US

AT 1-800-805-3030.

THAT'S 1-800-805-3030.

AND IF YOU LIVE IN OTHER

COUNTRIES, YOU MAY ORDER

THESE PROGRAMS NOW

AT OUR WEBSITE AT JASHOW.ORG.

THAT'S JASHOW.ORG.

>>ANNOUNCER: AND TO LEARN

HOW TO START A RELATIONSHIP

WITH JESUS CHRIST, GO TO

OUR WEBSITE AT JASHOW.ORG.

AND CLICK ON:

"PRAY TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST

AS YOUR SAVIOR."

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