Wednesday, February 21, 2018

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John Armstrong: –distinguished artist in Vancouver where

she lives and she has shown across Canada,

and internationally.

Allyson received her BFA from the Nova

Scotia College of Art and Design and her

MFA from the University of British

Columbia. Her work resides in several

collections, including the Art Gallery of

Ontario, Vancouver Art Gallery, the Art Gallery of

Nova Scotia, The Banff Centre, and the Art

Gallery of Windsor.

She has numerous awards including senior

artist grants from the Canada Council,

the Mexico-Canada-US artist exchange

residency, and the Rockefeller Foundation

Bellagio Residency Program. She is a

professor in the School for Contemporary

Arts at Simon Fraser University in

Vancouver and is represented in Toronto

by Katzman Contemporary Art, where she

had an opening this past winter [laughs]

had some really wonderful text and design

paintings that reflect in various ways

on the position of abstract painting in

Canada, and at that opening–in order to

get there you had to go through a

blizzard, so it was a very interesting

experience moving from the white world

into more chromatic world that Allyson presented.

So please join me in welcoming

Allyson Clay. [Applause] Allyson: Thank you very much, John

for a nicely pronounced introduction–

and thank you for hosting me here, and

nice to see an audience. So, I thought I

would talk about, as John said–we have

a friend in common called Lucy Hogg who–

she used to live in Vancouver and now

lives in New York and she said she was

wishing she was here because 'I have some

explaining to do' she says, and the

explanation is why I'm currently making

paintings with text when I spent quite a

few years before that using photography

in my work, making video and

installations, and moving slowly back

towards painting through a collage–

collaging steelworks together. Maybe that's

enough of an explanation for Lucy but I

will go into detail here. I'm not sure if

I can explain why, but–partly I think

that for me my practice in photography

became to be too distracted from my

manual experience making work and I

really felt like I'd like to have that

time in the studio again–instead

of just doing all my art by phone and

email, and–

also because I began to enjoy the idea

of text in art more and I wanted to find

a medium that I could use that would be

interesting–an interesting–have an

interesting relationship to actual words

and letters, and I think painting because

it's kind of contrary to text, works well

for me. Anyway, so this talk I'm calling

'Liquid Spatial Evocations' and it's

actually a quote from Roald Nasgaard's

book on Canadian abstract painting and

he–and this phrase is from his

description of one of Milly Ristvedt's

paintings called 'After Rameau's Nephew' from

1978 and I'll come back to why I'm

interested in Roald Nasgaard and that kind

of phrase–and I thought I would start

with just a recent text work which is a

digital print that I did in honour of

Jeannie Thib who is an artist who passed

away this year–actually last year, and it

was based–we were asked to make a work

based on one of her drawings–patterns–she

works with patterns, so this is the

pattern here. And I like to work within

a frame–tight frame because of–I'm still

suffering from conceptual training

hangover from NSCAD years.

So, this is "leaf, leafing, cut, cutting, fret,

fretting, trace, tracing, fold, overfall,

sunfalls, lacefurls, blossombarrier,

litornament, shift, shifting,

leaves, leaving" so that was for Jeannie

and it's a very small print–8 by 8 inches.

And then I'm going back to very

early work from 1988, when I first

began–began to be interested in text.

This was a show that I did at Artspeak

Gallery in Vancouver, which was formed by

a bunch of artists that came down from a

university in the interior which was

closed down by the right-wing government

because there are too many lefties in

that town and a lot of artists and

writers came down and started Artspeak

Gallery in Vancouver. So what these are–

on the left hand side are four paintings

that are 1 foot square each, you'll

recognize the tight form of the square

and on each of these I made a painting

by mixing my own paint and using what I

thought were kind of abstraction tropes

and–and then across the room from these

paintings were for descriptions also

closed in as close as possible to

rectangles or squares, which describe the

art making process, and at that time I

was reading–actually it explained to you

how to make one of these. So the idea was

that this is for you to make, this is

an example of what you can make and

these are the instructions, so this is a

recipe. However, the recipe was

interrupted by subjective musings so you

couldn't just do the straight recipe

without hearing my voice in your ear–and

it was accompanied by a little art book

and the show was called "LURE" so–and so

the book actually presented the text

against–each text–

so the instructions were the same more

or less except there are different

images and–but I still varied the kinds of

instructions, like what kind of wood to

use and how to mix your paint et cetera, and

then each–each subjective text had a

different kind of interference with

another narrative and this one, because

it was–it had something to do with the

image so this–I got that little thing

here–so because it was a strip across I

just did a–I did this strip of

text which kind of described a political

Irish event–someone whose son was

murdered in the strife–'the troubles' as

they called it. Anyways, um, there's too much to

describe for these works. The next series

I did were paintings of labyrinth so I

kind of expanded into–exploring

abstraction more–these are 2 feet by 2

feet square and it's oil on linen and

there's also an accompanying text for

this. And I also was still strongly

rooted to my conceptual foundations and

I didn't choose the colours in a

subjective way I actually took a design

book and picked two colours that were put

together in this design book and then

went to the art supply store and bought

the paint that was closest to those

colours and just made–made the

painting. And I made the painting with–

without tape so I had to turn it

around because it's easier to paint

straight lines by painting up into them

so I did a line and then a line and a

line–it was wet into wet, so it has a nice

kind of tremor to it while still being

very formal and I also saw the labyrinth

image as being narrative image because

your eye can take you around the painting

to the center and back if you want to

spend that time doing that.

And the book that accompanied this–it

was called "The Stories" and each abstract

pattern–so I made ten of these–had a

story accompanying it–and the story

was about walking in the city so I took

the idea of labyrinth as a kind of icon

or trope of the city's map and–and I

wrote stories about–small stories, very

very short stories about wandering in

the city and I'm actually in the process

of putting these to music. I'm going to

be working with a person who plays

accordion and we're going to make songs

out of them. >>Audience: Are you going to sing? >>Allyson Clay: Ah– [laughs] I think that would be a

little problematic. [Laughs] I don't know what's–

maybe she'll sing, that'll take the

burden off. Um, then I went on to further

paintings where in fact instead of just

using the guideline for colour and

actually painting it myself, I hired

people to make my paintings–to paint

them and–but I did choose–and I wrote

the text myself, so I wrote–and again

they're very small stories and this

left-hand panel here, I–all the–I sent

20 panels to a company that does false

surfaces for wealthy people's houses.

So this is a copper sur–surface–where

did my thing go–yeah, and–and that person

I hired to paint this was recently

graduated from Emily Carr and needed a

job and I thought he was a pretty good

painter so I said okay I'd like a night sky,

and I'd like a storm, and I'd like this

and I'd like that, so he just went along

and I accepted them. I did paint a few of

them myself

so just because I thought I should.

This is not one I painted myself–and these

are all stories about women in the city

so I was beginning to be more interested

in gender and the city and how the–the

subject in the city who was the

peripatetic(?) [laughs] perambulator person–

was always a man and so I thought okay I'm

gonna see what–I'm going to write

stories that suggest a woman in the city

or a woman taking action making things

and–and just turn it around a little bit–

the female 'flâneur' I was interested in.

The flâneur being this romantic idea

of a guy who–slightly separate from

society but walks around among and

observes and writes about what society

is–the outsider. So I'm also out-siding–

out-siding by being the female flâneur

and I made two series of paintings–this is–

this is one, and then I made this next

series of ten works and these were done

with photographs on canvas and then the

right-hand panel I did–I painted myself–

of skies, and the process for the text is

screen print so these were

screen-printed on also and

so I would work with the screen printer

situating the text on the–on the

painting and I wrote the text et cetera, so

this is 'The dreams I'm having affect my

speech' and then a kind of separate–

"The novels she was reading began to affect

her daily routines. She walked with

determination and took unfamiliar

routes. Her appearance and her voice

changed. She was promoted at work."

I was going through tenure at this time–tenure review.

And then around this time also I was

experimenting with other media

printmaking and so this again was a

screen print that I did on the dollar

bills that were going out of service at

the time so I bought a bunch of dollar

bills and I made a series of works on

them so on one side it says 'blemish' and

on the other side it says... >>Audience: Abrasion. >>Allyson Clay: Abrasion,

thank you. [Laughs]

So just down–a little side story, my

interest in text was also an interest in

theory and literature and books. I was

interested in how books in fact are

physical objects, not just theory and

books are beautiful to hold and you know

paper is good to feel and–and when

you're an academic sometimes you get too

many books and you feel the heaviness of

theory and you want to let it go so I

wanted a kind of an urban event where I–

this was a building I was living in but I

doubled the photograph so that the

building, which is a very urban modernist

building, goes on forever and there's me

there a couple of times so I have some

kind of companionship in this activity–

and I threw out books and so obviously

this is photoshopped because you

wouldn't be able to–I had to do a lot of

photos to catch different books in

different forms so they are photographed

but not all on the same photograph so I

added a few books–and this was from a

commission that I did for Presentation

House Gallery in–in North Vancouver

and it was a long painting like this

because it was meant to be the same size

as you put on the side of a bus as an

advertisement and it was also the same

size as the ads in the bus station so–it

was an ad. Now, unfortunately this went up

in September 11th and–what year was that? 2001?

what year was that? 2001?–Yeah, and there was a

person that was really upset by it–but

just one person because this reminded

them of bailing from the two tow–the

Twin Towers so that was an unfortunate

coincidence and a sort of silly anecdote.

And then I went on to make large

photographic works about flying books–

again, just enjoying the beauty of them.

So I had my husband who was really good

at baseball when he was a kid–he chucked

books and I photographed them and these

are not–they're only photograph–they're

only photoshopped because I had to take

out some shadowing from capturing a

slight movement in the air but otherwise

they are against the sky they were in

and I wanted them to look more stationary

and frozen. So these I showed at Leo

Kamen gallery about 2005 or 2006.

Okay, air to water–I thought okay I want to

look at books that are being destroyed

underwater and I liked looking at them–

they're beautiful shapes so I actually

took books that had some significance for me–

my own catalogues–a book by an Italian

critic who's called Achille Bonito Oliva

and he wrote about this art

movement called Transavanguardia–

Transavantgarde–and–

just books that had some kind of significance

and I destroyed them. This particular

book is called 'The Pornographer's Poem'

and it's by Michael Turner–I don't know,

he's a writer in Vancouver–and I won

this actually at a–at a fundraising

event and the Artspeak Gallery and he

signed it for me–but he did spell my

name wrong. [Scattered laughter] Oh–anyway, so after that was drowned I

thought what am I going to do with this

book–I dried all the books and I

still have many of them just kind of

bundled up and curled up and dried so you

can still read them–I think one of these

books was also an October magazine–

different theory and art writing–so I

thought I would just do–re-stage them as

a kind of an event–post event flurry

in a space which is also in that

building that I was throwing books out of–

So this is 'The Pornographer's Poem'–a

critique perhaps.

Unfortunately, for this artwork I cannot

find the original film so–to date–so I

have a photocopy scanned image of the–of

the centerfold of a catalogue of my work

and so it's a little hard to see because

the line down the middle is distracting

but this is going back to my interest in

the city and activities in the city and

expanding my interest in being a female

flâneur and flâneurs–and being a voyeur,

I guess, if there is such a term.

And so, I make these videos from my

rooftop in Vancouver looking into other

people's windows but I made them into

little tiny projections–again thinking

about book size and storytelling size

and made these stands and–where's my

little, there it is–okay, so there's a small

projector and glass and then a stand and

then there's these–you probably maybe

don't even remember these things but

these are VCRs.

So there are five of these and each one

with running a loop of an image that I

had taped from looking in windows

from my rooftop and–so this is an

example of one of the loops or one of

the images–it's still. Every so often in

the audio–the audio i remixed to mix

more street sounds–and every so often

you would hear a gasp [imitates gasp]

and then–then maybe later you might hear

nothing ever happens–so that was the

audio for these works. I can tell you

about things that I was reading at the

time but maybe you know it–I was reading

Michel de Certeau's 'The Practice of

Everyday Life' was a big influence on me

and probably still continues to this day.

These hang around in my brain for many

years–and yeah, so this was actually an

empty apartment

and–and I was looking–I had my

camera trained on it and nothing was

happening and suddenly this guy popped

up and he was a painter I guess, he was wearing

painting overalls and he went and took a

swig of a drink and then he went back

and disappeared again, so I did get one person.

This is actually another building

where interestingly there's a person

here and there's a person here, and

they're both cooking in the kitchen so

what these also reminded me of–in

particular this image here, are paintings

like Vermeer paintings or Dutch

paintings of interiors, they're about

light–of course they don't have the

detail but the kind of light and the

kind of mundane activity was interesting

to me–so that's the video. Okay, photography

and photography in painting–way back in

1995 I was in the US and on this

Mexico-Canada exchange, and I was

at Irvine University and if you ever

lived down there for a little while

you'll know that people drive around a

lot, so everybody who taught at UC

California, Irvine lived in Los

Angeles and they might also teach if

you're a sessional–you might also teach

somewhere like at Cal Arts which is like

way north and you drive way south so you

do a lot of freeway driving and I did

too because I always wanted–I was

staying in Irvine

but I always wanted to go to LA to see

shows and things. Anyway, so I–you know I

was kind of for many years I was

thinking about how can I do work

that's about driving that might interest

me and–in the meantime while I was there,

I rented a little airplane and we went

and flew around over Los Angeles and

the environment around Irvine–and I took

photographs. So, somehow it just came to

me like in 2008, [laughs] this is what I'm going

to do and these were based on this one

photograph I took of a mall near Irvine

which is actually a circular mall and–so

you can enter from anywhere and there's

all the–you know the shops, big-box

stores, and stuff and there are movie theatres

and stuff–but when photographed from the

air, of course, you get perspective and

the circle is not a circle it's an

ellipse–and another thing I did with

this image that I really liked was I

didn't get the whole mall in in one shot

so I thought I don't care, I'm going to

finish the mall off by using the end of one–

of one end and reversing it upside

down and sticking it on to the other end

so the photograph is actually

altered also, and I kind of altered it

some more–there was one building that

had a swimming pool on the top on the roof

and so I kind of multiplied that a few

times and so–if you do end up looking at

the photo while you're looking at the

piece you will see these quirky things.

So these are steel ellipses and so the

photographs are

mounted on these and then these other

ellipses I painted by spray-painting car

paint on them.

I made an edition–two editions actually–

this one is the black and white edition

so it's kind of a Silver City edition so

it has colours that are you know car

colours–silver colour, black, kind of maybe

brownish gray, things like that–so, this

was the Silver City one. After that I

thought I want to paint more but I don't

want to paint with car paint because I

nearly killed my assistant and I didn't

want his mother to find out what kind of

work he was doing for me even though he

doesn't–didn't care–so I thought

well I'm gonna paint but where do I

paint like what do I do and I thought I'm

going to go back to those labyrinths and

test them out–make them 3d, so I did that and I

made a bunch of paintings that nobody's

really ever going to see except when I

do talks. [Laughs] They're oil on linen, they're about

3 feet and I kind of use this

axonometric perspective to bump up the–

the labyrinth so there was another

spatial element there–and also the–they

were dysfunctional labyrinths so this is

probably maybe one of the more

functional ones but sometimes I chopped

off the edges and made them really

ambiguous in terms of the suggested real

space.

Then, I made these works which were shown

Leo Kamen, and they're tiny works,

they're collages and again you can see the

relationship between these works and the–

the ellipse–the exploded ellipse.

These were photographs that I took in 1997 and

I was playing–I had a stereo camera and

my brother gave it to me to use while I

was in Paris at the artist residency

there and so I went around with this

camera not exactly knowing what I wanted

to do and found myself at the new

library–it's the national library there,

and it had a really interesting–has

really interesting modernist

architecture–it has these towers that

are meant to look–remind you of books at

each end and then in the middle there's

a large wooden Plaza–so I looked at

these I thought aha books. So I use these

as the basis to make these–again,

thinking about the 3D-ness of the–of

the labyrinth I kind of use the stereo

image to make a puzzling photographic

image. So this is–again, these are metal

and they actually hang on the wall with

magnets. [Whispers] I'll go fast. [Laughs]

I should hand out free coffees for my

talks. [Clears throat] So, here's another one and–

yeah, so they're collaged, so there's one

form that's this shape and then there's

aluminium form glued on and then these

forms are glued on each separately and

painted separately so it's a–it's a

physical collage and steel. And I don't

know–you know, I really don't know how

readable these images are if you don't

know what they are but the one thing is

there's two book images happening here–

this looks like the centerfold of two

pages being open and then these are

repeating kind of book images here that

are a modernist version of the book and

this suggests another kind of

architecture. The subjectivity that I was

interested in earlier where I was

interested in inserting my voice or

talking about the female flâneur or flâneurs–

is I thought replaced or put back in

with the brushstroke of the painting so

I was happy with that being the physical

presence. Now, that's quite ambiguous

because if you are interested in gender

in painting, it's really a masculine

gesture historically but I realized that

it's not going to become feminine

gesture of empowerment and less women

keep painting, so there you go.

Then I thought well to hell with imagery

at all and I'm going to make these

shaped steel paintings that are

monochromes and that still have some

relationship to the idea of the city, so

boundaries was interesting to me and

these are probably–this one's about

3 feet–roughly 3 feet around and

again they hung on the wall with magnets.

This is a smaller one and I did some in

wood–I made wood–small studies too so

this one–actually I named them after

suburban kinds of things so this is

called "Crazy about the new spring fashions"

–this is called "Shade parking", this is

called "Golf on Rodeo Drive."

Okay, jumping back to a new moment–or forward

to a new moment–I was also–I read a lot

and I like to think about feminine

subjectivity in many different ways

other than just painting and photography

and I was interested in trying to do a

video about this notion of talking to

oneself in one's head, so I don't know

how many of you have these conversations

with yourself–on different levels, some

are quite overt. For instance, if you like–

my friend Michelle Gay, who's working on

the computer at home while I'm staying

with her as her host–she's my host–she

talks to herself all the time on the

computer and I think she's talking to me

but she's not–she has big problems that

she has to voice them out loud but

that's kind of like inner thinking, but

then there's inner-inner thinking where

it's not so articulate, you're kind of in

conversation with yourself almost

unconsciously. It so happened that a

friend of mine, Lisa Robertson–poet–who

now lives in France was also thinking

about the same thing

and we decided we would collaborate on a

work and we invited–Natalie Stevens, also

known as Nathaniel to join us and be the

poet and the listener–and we made this

video. So Lisa wrote a script for this

and I retreated–I was going to write

something actually for a couple of years,

I was trying to write this and I was too

bored with my own writing and I thought

maybe I'll ask somebody who's a good

writer to do it and that was Lisa.

So, maybe I'll just read from my notes here–

I've been interested in urbanism,

feminist subjectivity, the everyday

rupture, abstract form, poetry, and inner

thought, so

it is inner thought which produces the

exterior voices in my earlier work so

when I inserted subjective text, those

are inner thoughts–they're not kind of

asking you for a response. Inner thought

needs a critical look as Carol Becker

says in her essay on micro utopias. Now

many artists fear that the world has

become too interior focused and that

private space and identity are all there

is, even in the public arena. Most

significantly those personal issues are

rarely linked to the greater social

context that could help frame them,

isolate their origins, and catalyze their

resolutions.

So I wanted to re-look at thought, the

activity of the thinking that goes on

while thinking or doing something else

in a critical way. So I worked in

collaboration with two poets–Lisa

Robertson, which is here–she's there, and

Nathaniel Stevens–here. I played the

shadow character, I kind of turn up in

the mirror–this mirror every now and

then, and we did it as part of the media

residency at the Western Front in

Vancouver. So here's another still–

I hired a photographer too and the

photographer just traipsed around the

whole time during the video and you

could hear the click of the camera and

the feet going and then he'd pop in

every now and then to get a closer shot

so he was kind of another, you know–a

Brechtian kind of moment or part of the

video. And in the back I projected

this film which Lisa introduced me to–

this French filmmaker called

Jean-Claude Rousseau–I don't know if you've

ever heard of him, John. He's a wonderful

filmmaker, he makes beautiful, beautiful,

beautiful–achingly beautiful films–so this

is from a film "Jeune femme à sa fenêtre

lisant une lettre" which–excuse my pronunciation–

so it's based on the idea of a Vermeer

painting but the camera is just so

gorgeously–the camera more listens than

watches and it moves around and listens

to the interiors and the exterior, the

window et cetera–it was made in–in the

early–mid '80s.

In my mind this video was about painting

and how inner thought is like a cog that

moves the paint. Carol Becker also says

"art is often a kind of dreaming the

world into being, a transmutation of

thought into material reality, and an

affirmation that the physical world

begins in the incorporeal in ideas"

–incorporeal. So this is–this is the text–

another text that Lisa wrote

in relation to this and it's called "The

Setting." I'm just showing you a scan of

the–where it was printed in the catalog, and

it's written interestingly where she's

looking at different paintings in the

national–in–what would be called, the

National Gallery in London?–and–and she

was looking at how the descriptions of

the paintings–the title cards–and she

was copying them, and so basically her

poem is almost a direct copying out of

those description cards, and it becomes

like an assemblage of beautiful images

that are all about 17th century

paintings about society so I was very

influenced by that. I won't read it out,

you can maybe just glance at it for a

bit, it's just too much reading–but this

painting–this painting explores

different degrees of fear and those

things are you know very evocative–

and–yeah, so because I teach painting and

I don't teach painting a lot in my SFU

program, we have a very condensed program

and we have one painting class that

somebody can take twice so basically you

come out of our undergraduate program

with the ability to do everything and

almost nothing–but really smart people–

and we have people going to or just

graduating from NYU and people

graduating from Oslo Art School and

Piet Zwart–so it's not like we don't

educate them, it's just they don't get

like a good technology education, they

get grounded and everything. Anyway, so

for this painting class I thought okay

I'm just going to hand out–I'm going to

write descriptions of paintings and just

hand them out. This was my abstract

painting section and so I wrote

descriptions of very abstract paintings

and I got a lot of the images I was

writing about from Roald Nasgaard's book

on abstract painting in Canada so I

chose those paintings that seem like

they'd be easy to write about so that

you could imagine what I was–you know,

the work from me writing about it and

you can make a work. I forgot that-

you know–why could I forget this, how?–

that students are so smart that they can

actually find some of these things

online even though it seems anonymous

so–checking for updates–

Um, [laughs] workin' in the background–but anyway

not too many people did that but some

did

unfortunately. So I kind of–I kind of

thought of it as a kind of Coles Notes

version of how to learn abstract painting.

I wrote 20 descriptions, handed them out

and got a bunch of paintings made, and

unfortunately I don't have images of

them–I didn't get permission from my

students so I won't be able to show

you them yet–but this particular

description is of Elizabeth McIntosh

painting so–I got a very strange

interpretation of this, and it was–made

an interesting painting so you get

interesting renditions of other people's

paintings. And so, while I was reading

about these paintings I couldn't–you

know, I couldn't help looking–reading, as

well looking at them in this book, I–I

realize that I was very attracted to how

abstraction was written and–

Roald Nasgaard has written a very useful

book going over historically

and also regionally in terms of abstract

painting and–and he–he loves painting so

he's really into making these sensuous

descriptions of trying to evoke what it

feels like to stand in front of one of

these paintings and look at it. So here's

an example of his writing, "Deep eruptive

textures were created by dragging

saw blades

across the surface, paint was pulled into

ridges and smudged into crevices"–anybody,

who is that

'Ewen,' does anybody know?

He's like an Ontario guy. [Laughs]

Paterson Ewen–okay, here's another

page and my underlining–so you can see

I've been influenced a lot by thinking

along with Lisa Robertson about you know

what–how painting is written about and

she was interested in society–

high society paintings from the 17th

century and I was, you know, suddenly

interested in abstract painting.

The painting we see part of on the left is

by Douglas Haynes and called "Bonzo's

Last Stand" 1978. The text that I've

scribbled on is actually by Harold

Feist–so shapes flutter and dance–I

don't know, I think it's great writing,

it's very poetic. I also wanted to kind

of get you–to let you know that all

throughout my adult–even young adult

life–I've been interested in poetry and

was very influenced early on by this

poet called Carmina Archilochi(key) or

Archilochi(kai)–I'm not exactly sure how you

pronounce that–"The Fragments of Archilochos"

and they're fragments of survive–

surviving fragments of

Greek poetry and–so you get these texts

and shape things that–you get text–you

kind of get an idea boiled down to just

fragments that were there before.

He's the earliest known Greek author to

compose almost entirely on the theme of

his own emotions and experiences so

again, I didn't know this when I was, you

know, 16 years old but it makes sense now

reading that–that it's influenced me all

my life. He lived around 480 BC.

One author calls his remaining poems "table

scraps" which actually was the name I

wanted to give

to my cat but I wasn't allowed to buy my

husband. So here's a–you know, scan of

one of the–of two pages of the book and you

can see these very evocative things

happening, "In copulating one discovers that."

And somehow they become really meaningful.

"I knocked him out the door with the

vine-stump-cudgel." And to put them in

perspective I also–being a student at

NSCAD, I was very influenced by the work

of Lawrence Weiner who is–who's an

artist–have you guys learned about him in any

of your classes? He's an artist that

paints mostly on the wall–he doesn't paint–

it's actually stencilled or now it's

actually a linotype, et cetera–but his artworks

are statements and words–and I have a

deeper understanding of modernist

sculpture because of him amazingly–

He came and did a talk at Emily Carr many

years ago and I was pretty young then

also–not a–I was a graduate student at the time–

and he said that modernist sculpture is

about moving one thing from one place to

another place and I thought about that

for many years and the more I've seen a

modernist sculpture, the thing–more I

understand about art

in the 20th century and the language

that the kind of paradigm that I'm still

living in within. So, this is an

interesting example of his work written

on a brick wall–"One quart exterior green

industrial enamel thrown on a brick wall"

–so that's an example of one of his

statements and they're almost like

instructions for works so you can do it

yourself

and that I guess had influenced me in

terms of making those square paintings

with instructions that went along with

them.

So, I–it just–I'm also–over time I've been

interested in the tone of language of

the everyday, the cryptic bits of text

that one picks up walking past people in

conversation, shortcuts in saying things,

and the drawl, prosaic being ordinary or

unimaginative, the dull, the mundane.

This photograph is by Richard Landry and it's

a text from an artist book Lawrence

Weiner that I happen to have in my

collection. Another influence was this

book–and actually it wasn't the book, it

was–I went to a reading by Auden–

the poet W.H. Auden in 1971 in Manchester,

England where I started University at

University of Manchester.

He came and did a reading and I was

extremely influenced by this–these short

poems and it's–it's from a–they were from a

book that was recently published or

about to be published called "Academic

Graffiti" and

I memorized this poem–and that's about

the only thing I've memorized in my life

that stayed with me–even though we

had to memorize a sonnet by Shakespeare

every week in high school, I only know

this poem–so "John Milton never stayed in

a Hilton Hotel"–oops–

"which was just as well" and–there's

another subtext to why I like this–just a

quick subtext–when I was in high school

I went to Rome–I lived in Rome and one

of the classes I took was on City

Planning–the history of City Planning

in Rome and we would have to walk around

Rome and look at a 17th century map and

do some explorations and write some

papers on some buildings or avenues and

there was always like 6th, 5th tore up part

of Rome to make pilgrimage routes and–in

the 17th century–late 17th century, and

always at the end of every street where

it landed at the church you were supposed

to go to, there was an obelisk so that

you knew–it was kind of like a compass

handle–this is–you're going in the right

direction. So, there was one street in Rome

though that–it was actually built

before that in the Renaissance and if

you stood at one end and looked at the

other end you could see up on the hill–

on the other side of Rome–you could see

the Hilton Hotel and–I liked that.

There was no obelisk.

Here's another one, "Good Queen Victoria

in a fit of euphoria commanded Disraeli

to blow up the Old Bailey."

My other influence is Christopher Wool–this

work I have a poster of that hangs up at

home, I read it every day–it still takes

me a while to figure out what the next

word is going to be. I like that it slows

down reading and I think it is a sad

piece in a way. It reads, "The show is

over the audience gets up to leave–to

leave–their seats time–

time to collect their coats and go home

they turn around no more coats and no

more home." I think it's just a beautiful

beautiful piece–so it's enamel paint on

aluminium and you can–this one exhibition

I was in–in Europe and I picked it up and I'm

glad I have this–it was–they were take away–

really big poster. Also things that I

find are interesting to me–this is a

little list that I picked up off the

street near me–floral dress, Hunter boots,

chartreuse scarf, aqua cardigan, grey heart

cardigan–this is colour–this is

somebody–I don't know if this is what

somebody wants to wear one day or what

but it's short, poetic, and every day.

So then I–this kind of influence–this

painting called "Slap Chartreuse" and it

reads "tinged with crimson crazy

eye-popping viscous orange flux" so some

words that I find lying around

chartreuse turn up again in other works.

I also want to say that some of my

influences come from students and these

are two works by a graduate student that

I had called Anna-Marie Repstock and

she had an undergraduate degree in

English and was doing this graduate work–

English and then an undergraduate–she had

two undergraduate degrees, one in–a BFA

in painting and then she came to study

with me because somebody told her I worked

with text and these are two paintings

that she made and she was–she's a very

very bright person and we have amazing

discussions about poetry, text and

painting. So she has a very strange style, it's

very eccentric and–but I choose to

support it even though I don't know

where it fits in painting land but this

is–these are kind of channels that she

makes

and then the paint kind of builds up on

the sides of the channels and it's kind

of like–it's like a picture of what

paint does when you just make a stroke

and you don't care about the edges so

she was working with that idea and

enhancing it. So this says "OH" and the

other one says "Sundown."

And these are some images to kind of

give you a sense of the show that I did

at Katzman Kamen gallery in February

and I think people who came to the

opening should all be given medals

because the weather– [laughs] I've never been in

such weather–yes, so it was snowing heavily

all day and then it switched to rain and

then there was thunder and lightning–

delightful weather in Toronto. So these

paintings–again, so what they're doing is–

I'm taking these sections out of the

Roald Nasgaard work and I've um–

reshaped–I've remade–I've made them into

my–I've made my own word compositions

and stuffed them into difficult shapes as

part of a canvas space so you can see I

have all sorts, we'll look at those and

probably this one was the first one, "What

a furore"–I don't know how to pronounce

that word–"What a furore what passion in

these irregular lines" and this one is

"Ice slick green slapped over and over

hot magenta so flat." I wanted to use really

heightened colour because I'm not so good

with being subtle with colour but as you

can see I'm trying to teach myself that

later on–recently I've been trying to do that.

And I really thought the

brushstroke was really important so I

kind of heightened that and I had a big

conundrum about text whether I should do

vinyl design–vinyl text so it looked

kind of corporate or whether I should

use hand done text and is hand done text

too hokey–anyway, I went with the handwritten

text–its hokey–but it has passion. [Laughs]

Then I–yeah so I started switching up

whether it should be straight up and

down or not

this is "Ochre chrome ochre ultramarine

all patchy." This one we already read–

I wanted to you know–you know, when you

write text you kind of want to maybe

make it readable on the canvas so I

wanted to play around with the fact that

it's going to make it hard to read

because this is painting I can do–you

know, I can make painting make the text

so it's kind of interested in that.

"Black black indigo dot dot dot dot–dot"

maybe–so you can see that my interest in

these kind of shapes, the containment

–senses of containment that I get from

thinking about city, thinking about city

blocks and routes, and place I'm using as

abstract forms inside an abstract

painting so they reference abstract painting.

So, "Blue there and ox blood sweep and flow."

Another installation view–there was two–

four small paintings and I have to

say, Maryanne, I'm sorry to say this but I

didn't really like this installation of

these two works together but it was

something that she liked and we kind of

left it like that.

So, "As lead white cut here and there

fast with azure"–or how we pronounce that, I don't know.

"Slam down squill blue mustard mustard

violet." "–Drip ripped ground splat pink and

broad wide lavender" and "Not chaos just

daub daub void daub void daub

lumpy and true"–this is kind of a

comment on me painting. These paintings

are about four by five feet and this one

kind of abbreviated cut off before it

finishes "And space a line of colour a

slip slipping of dragged over–dragged O."

Anyway, so I kept–these are

recent works–just a couple of them to

show you what's happening in my recent

work that I'm trying to do a couple of

different things with painting and

really thinking about following the

paint and seeing what the paint does

with the text as more letting that take

precedence and discovering that way and

I'm working now–as a kind of a

painter-painter–it's not–I'm not sure

what's going to come out of each

painting. This is what came out of this

painting–oh yeah, I should also say that

I wanted to make a series of paintings

about Sigmar Polke and I liked the idea

of making paintings about him because

he's kind of the ultimate painter, the

magician–people refer to him as the

magician–and what's it called when you

make gold out of base metals–alchemy–

he's an alchemist! And so he's kind of a

iconic painter because all painters are

alchemists, scientists–

but scientists of magic. So I did a lot

of reading and–and then I did a lot of

writing and–but not much writing came

out of it and I didn't–there was just

too much writing to make an interesting

painting so I kind of cut back and

somehow this word came out of that–first

painting was this and you can see that

I have some overpainted text like–and

these were–this is a list of items in

his work so "Gun bullet flower ghost

cloud" and "irritable"–I don't know who's

irritable, me or him–but, he's no longer

alive but recent–recent contemporary painter–

recently contemporary. This is another

one and I've been experimenting with

layers of text so–sorry, layers of

paint–so you can see through it a little bit.

This emerged out of a whole bunch of

other text and down here there was

spittle and I didn't like that so–but

it sort of is there still and "bile" is

another word that comes–somehow emerged–

came out of reading Sigmar Polke, so

it came from one of the texts–it's a

quote–it's a word that came out of the

actual text that somebody was writing

about him. And another one, "dub"–so again

there's a whole other phrase–a

whole other sentence underneath that got

broken up and exists as a kind of ghost

underneath so these are the three most

recent works that I have.

That's it.

Oh, and that's a painting by Peter Doig–I know

now. [Laughs] Is that the whole painting or is that cropped? >>Audience: It's detail. >>Allyson Clay: Detail, yeah I thought so.

So, does anybody have any questions?

>>Audience: You introduced yourself as a recovering conceptualist, from Nova Scotia School of Art and Design but your work is also

concerned with beauty, it looks like–is that a conflict within you or is that something you've always kind of embraced?

Or do you think you would have been an abstract expressionist had you not got into NSCAD?

>>Allyson Clay: Possibly–latter. I–I found no trouble

understanding beauty in conceptual art–

it just wasn't particularly about

paint. So, for instance, the–wall

works by Lawrence Weiner were beautiful

to me and–so I never found any trouble

with that–but it was a split between

making paintings and figuring out how to

tie that back into my interest

in conceptual–my respect for it, I guess–

my love of it–really I would have loved

to have had a conceptual painter teach

me but in–when I was at NSCAD the

painting department was practically

empty of people–empty of students and

there were only a couple of faculty–John

Clark was one of the faculty members–he

passed away a few years after that–and

–but I don't know, I had trouble

articulating what my needs were as a

painter

so I didn't really know what I wanted

when I was a young student, um–yeah, so I

coasted along–but that's a good question. [Scattered laughing]

>>Audience: Would you now consider showing your

labyrinth paintings that were sort of–

approached the subjectivity of

your more recent work? >>Allyson Clay: Do you mean the 3D ones? The

axonometric– >>Audience: Yeah. >>Allyson Clay: –perspective? Well, if

somebody was interested in showing them,

sure. Nobody's seen them, so–

>>Audience: You–you didn't show them because you

were uncertain? >>Allyson Clay: No no no no– >>Audience: Okay. >>Allyson Clay: There's

kind of dead space around them, that's all.

>>Audience: This has been a question I've had for a

number of years–in Vancouver there's a

great interest in monochromes, and I wondered if you

could illuminate me on that–

>>Allyson Clay: Conceptual art–I guess people are

afraid to paint over there and are you

thinking about anybody in particular or

any works? >>Audience: You know, a number of people

make reference to their interest in monochromes– >>Allyson Clay: Uh-huh, huh–

David Maclean used to talk a lot about–

the monochrome–he has these words for my

paintings, like he–the new paintings he

calls them–what does he call them–hostage–you know

when you send a note that–a hostage

text– >>Audience: Ransom. >>Allyson Clay: –A ransom note! He calls it ransom

note printing–anyway, yeah I learned

about the monochrome I think from David.

The monochrome is like the ultimate

conceptual painting, so that's where the

two things reconcile I guess–but the

monochrome in Vancouver–it's funny

because there's a show about the

monochrome at the Helen Pitt Gallery and

these guys are talking about it in

relation to neo-liberal culture and

money and grey–the greyness of the business

world, money et cetera–so I didn't get to see

that show yet but I was kind of interested

in that–but yeah, I don't know–right

now we have so many painters that

somehow–I don't know how they emerged–

but there's no monochromes

that I can remember. There's a very

interesting set of paintings by Neil

Wedman–I don't know if anybody knows Neil Wedman's

work but he made these–he paints in

black and white a lot–mostly–monochrome

we would call them and–but he's always

figurative and also always kind of

thinking about the graphic art–like

graphic novels and stuff–he did a

series of paintings that are about UFOs

and they're–they're grey paintings–

vertical grey paintings and they make

you think of her Gerhard Richter but you can–

if you look hard you can see a little

UFO floating–they all basically

become atmospheric so then you realize

that the grey is an atmosphere and

somewhere in that atmosphere there's a

hovering UFO–so they're very interesting

comments on monochromes and I thought

they're pretty funny but–maybe also in

Wallace's work–yeah.

>>Audience: Yeah, he's kind of the father– >>Allyson Clay: –yeah yeah yeah yeah–

>>Audience: –there's no further– >>Allyson Clay: No–he's afraid to–yeah, I think

that's the only way he introduces–yeah

the monochrome as–or painting in his

work is the monochrome [clears throat] yeah maybe that's–

because he has such a fatherly presence

in our city.

>>Host: Okay, well thank you very much Allyson. >>Allyson Clay: Thank you all. [Applause]

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