okay we are live welcome everyone to inside the junior reign episode number
eight as always my name is Ben Frank I am your club president and with me I
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making a junior named the junior rain and I'm fulfilling our mission of
changing lives through sport with all of you along for the ride and today we're
going to be talking about tracking practice I put in the the heading there
for today's show what we what we measure what we measure we can manage and we
measure we can improve and so I'm gonna turn it over to Paul here to talk a
little bit about how we track practice and a special challenge that we have for
you guys to help us do this over the next couple weeks here great Ben thanks
yeah so everyone we've talked a little bit about the tracking and USA Hockey
developed was called activity tracker and that can be found on their website
you can print out a PDF a hardcopy they also have it on their mobile app and on
the USA Hockey coaching mobile app and you can download that and then you can
go to activity tracker and I just pulled up here on my phone I'm gonna bring this
close to the camera if we can see it so you can see there's a bunch of different
categories there that or so basically how and I want to go over really the
details on how you use it and then we're talking about how they use it so what
you do is you anyone can use it coach parent player anyone so what you
do is you pick a certain so for if you're a parent you would track your own
player usually so you can pick them and then you would follow along the whole
practice and and use the app to track the actual actions
of what your player is doing for the whole entire practice you can also do
four games and you can see the differences in the practicing games and
so the categories are very simple there's a stop they're all there stop
watches for so total time on ice so four practices usually roughly 60 minutes
explanations so what that is is that's how much the coach is stopping and
talking to the group time skating self-explanatory how much so your
players moving puck handeling so how much your players has a puck on a stick
and then obviously time skating and puck handeling you've been skating with the
puck so that those clocks should be both running unless until something stops and
then there's number of passes there's number of passes received there's number
of shots and there's feedback so that's coaches FIBA that's direct feedback hey
Ben get down lower roll it risk so that's direct feedback
on the ice and you have to obviously watch the coaches and what they're doing
and be aware of that and so these are some of the categories that you say
hockey's put together in activity tracker that we use too obvious improve
our practices and help our coaches make sure we divide and make sure we develop
our curriculum make sure we go for our players better so let's just circle back
your posts okay so again we're talking about we've had a few episodes that were
on our practices and how important practices are what we do in the practice
is why that relates to our curriculum hug one should get the most the most out
of our practices because we only have a certain amount of time each week we
obviously run do the best job we can with the kids and one of the most of it
the nativity tracker from USA Hockey it's an awesome tool it's been around
for a few years a lot of people don't even really know it's out there or use
it very much I know there's not a lot of clubs that we know that use it really
consistently and for us it was a big tool in making the transition we made
from association what we work to a model Association and really help make
tangible what's happening because it's it's it's hard to just know how
effective a practice is without some way to measure to measure it so a really a
tool that says it's even especially within our own practice even if to know
if one practices a little bit another and with certain types of drills
did some we're more effective than other so really to make that tangible to see
the numbers on a page and then you want to evaluate that so we did we use this
Paul did this for a number of our coaches when we were first transitioning
and trying to become better organized how we did practice across all age
groups and really was a great tool and then we're able to use it after we
change became a law Association actually at a presentation and you know say
congress showing the difference of what our practices were from what they were
track before so what they were after we became a model club and and and the
percentage of increase of development over the course of a whole year with
using the style practice to actually show other club presidents like the
results they could have in their club when they when they change to dip they
practice and then how to actually measure measure that going forward to
see how effective is so it's a tool that you said it's free it's on the website
it's on the mobile coach app it's not just something that we can use because
we will continue use it as a club to improve but something we want the
parents views I don't maybe it's not lot of clubs
don't want you evaluating their practices but we set our mission is
together we can make the sports life-changing experience I don't want a
perfect practice holding on a perfect practice we certainly do the best we
possibly can and study constantly to make sure we do it but we always want to
improve as a whole as a whole club so you know this challenge that Paula
mention like inviting the parents and people to you you just have to watch
your own kid really and to actually measure the practice and give us some
feedback and look we of course do that in our own with our coaches as well and
you can use it in games like you said a lot of people you don't realize that you
can use that your daughters or sons soccer practice maybe even as well many
pauses after that a little yeah well a couple things we I would like to invite
all parents to track practices of their son or daughter over the next two weeks
and email them to me email me the PDF for a screen shot at Paul at jr. rain
calm so we would love to get some statistical feedback on our practices
whether it's in Carlsbad or Riverside or even paramount all the different age
groups and all the numbers should look different for certain age groups and
like we talked about there's room obviously
growth and improvement what we do and that's why we want the feedback so two
weeks track is maze your player as you can and then at the end of the at the
end of the month we'll will select one lucky winner for a little gift for
submitting into the into the contest so it's it's a great thing and some of it
like we talked about some of the activity tracker it's not a perfect tool
either right there's I actually got to present at narce the North American rink
conference conference an expo a couple years ago with USA Hockey just a few
minutes I'm about how we use activity trackers and there was some discussion
there were some of us a hawk you guys that I brought up that we brought up
that it's missing a couple things I think there's there's category
decision-making that's not in there that's a little bit harder to measure
and then also about battling you know won battles lost battles that kind of
thing so some of those things are a little bit
harder to measure about really important too so this is just kind of a start and
a basis that we like to use in and it's really great for tracking obviously the
activity and you know as we know especially the younger ages the more
activity the more movement the more learning they're doing so that's really
important so what it allows you to do it allows you so you have an hour practice
for example it allows you to actually measure your so your son or your
daughter how many minutes of that 60 minutes did
my child spend skating how many minutes of the whole practice that they spend
with the puck on their stick how many pass them in mate how many shots of the
ticket how much interaction with the coach that they have and pretty cool to
actually measure that and I recommend do it in the game as well and see maybe how
the practice compares to a game do it different types of practices a lot of
our like all of our age groups they might have a different type of practice
midweek and a different one on towards the end of the weekend or Tuesday go to
a Thursday see how those compare and then like pulpit so a couple I think key
things number one is thinking really the easiest way is to do the mobile code you
will say like a mobile coach on your phone app and then the track in there
because you can just do it automatically from your phone Rodney step do paper and
pencil a lot harder this is pretty easy and then you could just take a
screenshot and it's you know it's a to yourself and copy you know in copy Paul
apology terrain so we can see and then just maybe Paul speak to some of
different systems obviously one we're gonna have different numbers with an
eight new practice than with a sixteen year practice for example yes and we've
talked to Loom about this before and some of the shows especially the younger
ages right the the focus on the eight nine or ten honor is a high activity
rate so multiple total ice time we're looking for amount of skating anywhere
between 45 50 55 minutes specially the eight nutters we're looking to hit that
50 minute mark and we've we've talked to us a hockey and compared those numbers
with other clubs and they were very impressed with that so that was always a
good goal of myself and our club to stay up in that 50 minute mark of 18 under
and that's really how that's how they you know if you think about it you
watched another type of practice I actually I want to challenge people to
for one more thing part of the challenge okay
is to submit an anonymous other club or other program tracking so you don't have
to put the name of the club our name of the the program but I'd love to get some
other stats not because I've done it and seen the difference uh you're walking in
any local rig before when your son or daughter's games track a whole practice
pick up pick a player and you'll see what I've seen a lot of there's a lot of
standing around and certain age groups there's room for standing and there's
room for teaching and whatever talk about standing is that is that recipe
read write and that sounds beginning the older ages you know activity for an 18
16 under is not gonna be 50 55 minutes or up skate right their bodies aren't
built their physical capacities or energy systems are built that way
there's more work to rest ratios we talked about before so they're going to
need more rest so there's more recovery and there are shorter more intense
bursts of play more games simulated so it's more like it shift of 30 40 seconds
and then they get the rest of a you know two or three you know maybe two or three
minutes so it's more almost simulating a game environment obviously there's
different drills and they you can move that around spread around where you want
to hit lots of repetitions with a certain skill but those younger ages you
know if usually if kids are standing around eight and under ten under those
are where we see some of the problems and that's where we get some some of the
in physician insufficient skill development yeah so just a few things
out of that we talked we talked before a lot about the witness
of trainability right so the eight meander levels as those young levels and
it slowly changes as they get older they don't they don't complete their glycogen
stores I said buck we'll talk a little bit that they don't deplete the glycogen
source they don't need the recovery time we actually want to get them to be
moving close to harm percent as the entire time as kids learn by doing fuck
this before kids learn by doing not by being told whatever my feeling
kinaesthetic later Vince you want them in motion the entire time and learning
giving as much repetition and as much activity as possible date you know
that's not gonna do their bodies and you harm gonna be going almost the whole
sixty minutes at the older levels kids learn by doing but they can also start
to learn by watching by being talking to a coach and they also need to rest so
they go more intensely than they deplete the glycogen stores and it gets to a
certain point where they they can't sprint the entire time they need to
recover and they can sprint again so we actually want them to be resting some
more especially if it's hard like they can maybe do Pat do some passing drills
and things for longer station so in stationary rep stuff but we want them to
be sprinting hard resting and then sprinting hard again versus going
half-speed the entire time so those numbers are gonna look completely
different under practice and they could also cognitively do more stuff while the
rest see that and that's the big one right Wednesday starting at 12 under 14
16 18 it's a good cognitive and the perceptual skills they start to be able
to understand and dissect things and understand why they're doing it and that
decision-making process starts to come in and that's why they this speaks
basically a it's critical at the 1200 1200
up is those smaller smaller games are really critical for kids development
because that's the decision-making that's the hockey sense that's the type
or when those skills or the bodies open for that the Brits the brain it is ready
for that right and that's important that we don't miss those and at the younger
ages it's still not quite ready cognitively a
for that but that's why I've been doing the activity is so important those
younger ages so at those ages so versus with maybe a full twelve or fourteen
under practice a kid who's watching a smaller a game before their ship comes
in they might start to see some tendencies about you know where the puck
rims around or how to their team's attacking it or for example off of a
server when you put a more complex ruling it to take it behind their net
they start their watching their traffic about versus a in a better practice
where we actually want them just going through that competition and we're
learning from okay I lost the puck narrow I didn't get there fast enough
natural without thinking about it just naturally learning kind of kiss
kinesthetically and and then we and myself and I think all our over coaching
time you we make those mistakes where you know you have a gate and on your
group say 810 kids and you spend five minutes on trying to explain this drill
on how to do it and then or even a 10-10 number you know sometimes twelve hundred
and then he's everyone's get it and no one has a clue of what you're doing
you're spent there's no what I mean I spend five minutes talking about it
right because it's not the right age for that yeah and so that's important and I
it's great when I get to run 1,200 practice to doing a smaller game when
I've got several kids say oh I get it now and and they were watching the
smaller game when I was telling them hey this is how you do it I've been rush me
and go here and and everyone learns differently right and there's some of
the older kids like well I don't I don't get it I draw it up I don't get it and
then they saw their teammates doing big oh my get it I get it and that's really
Bessel's of lightbulb moments and those are exciting things as a coach and as a
director is you see that you actually can see kids learning and I think that's
a real neat thing and that's the under eight eight nine or ten under its about
activity it's about that skill development and some of the doing it's
go go go go go you know sometimes a ten or you bring it
back a little bit and then go go go a little bit more so let's get that
continuous feel of as they grow in their bodies and
their brain things change things are going to look different and that's what
we talked about you know that NHL practice that college practice looks
different than in eighteen eight-nine reckons it should all look
different the tracking the numbers should look different the resting how
you're teaching how you're coaching the kids should be different how you how you
hold them accountable how you everything should be different at each age group
right yeah on the right mindset of develop them
into their fullest potential no just so just clarify again so the so Paul's but
an extra challenge so and a lot of you guys have may have seen Joyce already
put out a challenge social media challenge and a lot of people commenting
and liking and following us on Facebook and Instagram to win weekly prizes
you're gonna be announcing the first one actually right after the show today so
we have the first winner for that contest back to the show
so we have an extra special bonus prize that Paul Paul how about some more
prizes here so we're going to stock up on some stuff but it's an extra prize
for a draw of people that submit and attract practices so again over the next
two weeks track here your son or daughter's practice send us send call an
email with the screenshot or the PDF that you can export and then we'll
select from there we'll talk more about about it then to now I do want to say we
talked about how the age groups are different we're definitely we're not
going to necessarily see 55 minutes of activity and 16 you practice or even 14
you practice but we have seen we've we've tracked other older practice
before we still want an activity an activity level we've seen some pretty
poor efficient older level practices as well yeah well I think I think and at
all the range groups we see bad practices around around the hockey world
great hockey queen and that's really what it's about is that well you know
why are we talking with this well we want hockey players to have a better
experience and get better not just in our program but other programs too I
guess if you know the Ducks down the street or someone else want to use that
to be checked or make their practices better great we're not hiding this right
you'll say hockey's no highness that's the whole mission of USA Hockey and and
the rain is to make sure you know we develop good people good hockey players
and then the Declaration of Principles of NHL it's all together we're a hockey
community and we want things better so yeah though the older age
groups those are those are times where they start to understand why you know
what they're doing and why they're doing it so they can work so if they're
working on a specific skill or habit they can really understand why they're
doing it and really buy and do hey if I want to be a better player I'm gonna do
this I'm gonna repeat it repeat again and master that skill and that that's
that's critical that they improve on those skill sets right and then some of
the team play concepts come into play and honestly what that is the
decision-making understanding different situations concepts and those are all
like a lot of that stuff is done with smaller games and a lot of stuff is that
done with through different types of game play and I think that's somewhere
sometimes when we talk about skill development we just think drill drill
drill and there's two sides that we talked about a lot last time was about
the Reid plan and do or a couple weeks ago for the Reid plan and do that's the
skill is understanding that the do part is important but so was the Reid and
plan and if we don't train guys in smaller games and game situations
they're not going to develop those skills they can you know do during a
game so those are there there's a couple sides of skill the moment I think it's
important that we develop all of those skill sets as a whole player and that's
why practices throughout a week are gonna look different they're covering
different things and that's why the numbers and activities are just going to
look different as well and so one of the things I think even just even at the
older levels even with there's whether there's rest periods and things like
that what we've seen before is too much time in explanations right so where's
what the older levels ideal what we're looking for
maybe it's it may be half or even less of activity rate of a might of an eighth
you practice so maybe instead of 15 minutes it's very each one it depends on
what they're working on again but what we what we but ideally it's because
they're they're going in some kind of shift shift format and things like that
so they're going into resting and blowing the rasty what we don't want to
see is 30 minutes 40 minutes of explanation time right where coach is
explaining the drill for the board for 10 minutes at a time beforehand so those
are something curious for us to do evaluate even
see the difference in those older and under practice yeah I think we've
learned that that is utilization is really critical right and if you see you
know walking or Rankine and nobody's moving on the ice yeah probably a bad
practice and that's like you know the famous love the funny line is that you
know basically this burning money right because you're wasting time ice is a
commodity it's hard to come by and the the something has to be going on some
kind of learning if you think about it like a classroom and if everyone is just
sitting in their desk with their head down probably not learning which right
so if you walk into a hockey rink and nobody's moving and nothing is happening
that's not a good sign or any kind of extended period of time transitioning
from drilling drill whatever yeah but there's gotta be some something
happening for us to you know develop and learn and I think that's important that
we understand that and the other thing we we we still need to a better job I
think and we've learned I've learned is being part of youth hockey is that
competition creates energy and sometimes you run a practice and you'll feel like
I've walked in a different other programs ring and the rink is completely
dead and there's no energy it's really low there's 12 15 kids on
the ice on a full sheet for peewee something practice and it may look
somewhat organized sometimes but then there's a lot of downtime there's no
energy there's no engagement and then on the flip side you put on 30 40 kids on
the ice and there's a high activity there's a high amount of chaos and
within that creating competition I think that's what makes really good drills is
you know we talked about you know skating thinking competing puck skills
and I think those decision makings and those competitions especially as we get
older in the ten twelve you and up is really important and I read a great book
by Pete Carroll he talks about that competition called room so he creates
the with the Seattle Seahawks I creates these all these environments where
people are competing all the time right so teammates are competing against each
other making people better and it creates this energy and excitement and
it obviously helps for the moment maybe welcome a couple of years of a Robert
Robert earlier Berger Joyce and Tom Eisenman
thank you for your comment I think he's taking a little bit of a tongue-in-cheek
because it's been Frank is the best thanks for watching guys pull one so
just one people are do this we talked a lot about tracking the practice and how
to do it and where do it were to download with the thing what we're
looking for and the challenge is special bonus were offering we talked about the
differences at the age groups and how really if you're interested in
understanding those differences or Wyatt what we talked about it comes back to
the windows of trade ability they were fined by USA Hockey and the USOC from
Sports Science and this book that you have you're holding right here this
skill book for me to have skill progression for you talking from USA
Hockey we Paul's give them probably a thousand
of these or sell out in the last year to we have these USA Hockey send these to
us and no charge for our families so if you're interested in understanding some
that's the further we part of this this challenge we have today and the reason
we're talking about this tracking we want you and the parents and the kids
and everyone engaged with what we're doing so we can be the best at what we
do and we can all understand and be in the same page and we're open to getting
better and to learning about our own you know our own things we want you to
understand what we're trying to do what we're working on and help us become
become better so that's why it you know sharing the tracker is a great way for
you to understand what's actually happened on the ice and give us some
feedback and then visit these books that we give out that this is what we aim to
accomplish in all of our practices and their training programs with our age
groups and it's all right there in black and white as far as what we want to
achieve in each in each age group and I'll show you the different way and some
of the differences that we're looking for in the activity track the practices
what do you want explain I don't want to kind of go over a couple they focus
points so for example in eight-and-under they talk about fun engagement active
prac practices an age-appropriate training and then then you flip all the
way through to the 16 18 under and the focus points again I just want to
compare the two so remember fun engagement active
practice is an age appropriate some talking
as a new 16 and 1800 fun and engagement number one practice structure
age-appropriate training skill development body contact body checking
and this one to get into team play the talk about training they talk about
learning to compete right so those are if you look at the role development of a
hockey player when we're talking about you know from six year old to sixteen
old eight to eighteen year old you see the path there and I think it's our job
as administrators and and coaches to really make sure we give the best
experience for people and that's why like you said we were using these tools
to grow and improve our program and that's why we want the feedback and we
want to make sure that we're hitting these things and that's why the
curriculum was born and that's why the curriculum will continue to evolve and
really develop into something that covers everything all the time for every
age group and it's repeatable and everyone's getting that same experience
and exposed to the the right let's just show this book bus again so this is the
book we're looking for it has a youth player in the front but it goes all the
way up to 18 and under scale progression for youth hockey if you would like to
copy email Paul or your your age group a script leader or coach we can get you
one this really is our manual for what we come back to on the and we can go
into further depth will be when we need to but the overview kind of of every age
from what we're looking to achieve a teaching and probably each one feeds
into the next and then that tracker is a great way for us to so we designed it
based on the scientific principles we experimentally make the best you see the
practices that make the best we can then we can measure with us with the tracker
and now so we can measure our own with the tracker we can also engage other
coaches and parents and groups as well to to measure the practices and see and
really be a part of it as well and I like to remind people and I try not to
forget myself is that this is put off by USA Hockey is supported and funded by
the National Hockey League so the top league in the world the best players go
to millions of dollars believe in this
right that believes that's how you youth hockey should be I think as a country
we're still a long ways away obviously but we're trying to do our part and
develop our program and then a you know many different speaking engagements from
the country we go to these different conferences so that's what we're trying
to do is to make sure that we we give to give every kid the best chance to learn
to succeed and I think that's what it comes down to and knowing that USA
Hockey and the National Hockey League are behind it and supporting this and
that's what we lean on to to guide the way for other youth organizations and
our kids and our families is is an important thing and a fun thing that we
get to do so I just want to add that first of all Paul Jennie Janicki wants
one of those books so you gotta get provided you gotta get her letter to
practice here if you have some up here in office and then just to add them in
Paul mentioned I actually just I just spent the weekend I was with Ken March
elephant up in Fremont Area NorCal talking to all the NorCal 8yu coaches
about this I think ended a presentation on active practices at 8 you
you mentioned NHL is behind this so so Ken and the other your sucky staff that
we send us these books their their salaries their their positions and
things are completely funded by the NIH we'll talk about the support the NHL
pasted eight million dollars a year and it's probably only going up to USA
Hockey to run to to run the AVM program because the NHL even if you just look at
selfishly for the business this growth standpoint they want more American more
players in NHL and they want more American more Americans to play hockey
two big things many more Americans playing hockey so they know that we need
to give people good experience so they fall in love with hockey for life the
more people play hockey the more fans there's going to be more Americans that
play hockey at the highest levels so you have Americans making the NHL teams we
have Team USA doing great in the Olympics and role champs in these things
which brings popularity to hockey in the United States which again grows the game
gross gross financial businesses so they put money specific because they believe
in these principles because it believes that they will keep kids in the sport
longer because it's gonna be more fun and help them get better faster you
the better you get the more fun you have and also to help them us the United
States to develop players at the highest the highest levels because based on the
numbers in the past case and numbers of american-born players for behind of what
we should have as top top end players and they're seeing results already from
includes and maybe improvement yeah and to clarify before we go the ABM
American development model doesn't mean eight-and-under might hockey
it is a blueprint for clubs age appropriate training to develop kids
their fullest potential based off of science so it's age appropriate training
based off of science to give kids the fold mode to hit restore from genetic
potential so it doesn't mean eight-and-under hockey it includes ain't
under hockey yeah but it also includes 10 under 12 under four times six seven
hm so it's elite programming and that's some of the misconception of what the
ABM is it's just oh that's my hockey and that's it which is not true it's elite
programming at the highest levels to give the kids the best chance to use it
with their highest levels with Team USA with the National Team Development
Program with the world junior teams may use ADM programming at the highest
levels of hockey in the United States and just so you know like it's where the
Sun the science is it's only accelerated right the amount of science research
that goes into B am now in the National Team Development Program ranked they
have players wearing accelerometers they're measuring in their energy levels
in this type of style of practices are measuring the acceleration and
deceleration you said things and how it relates to concussions those things and
this is like high level sports science and research that's going into this
program being funded by the NHL US Olympic community steps of things that
are involved and pretty exciting stuff for you I think you can tell we're
passionate about it for us to be able to implement all the way down it and and we
want these are eight mender and ten hundred players to be fed into that
system of growth all the way up yeah and I was just watching something a couple
days ago about the Pittsburgh Penguins a lot of people know that's one of my
favorite team so nothing to get us the Kings I love the LA Kings - but Mike
Sullivan who was he's a USA hockey guy head coach to the
penguins I saw one of their practices using the gate game which is a USA
Hockey drill that we use here I also was watching a recap of the Stanley Cup run
they had a couple years ago and they were doing a small area game during the
playoff run you know I mean so I just shows you that these are things from
that can be done at the highest level and that's we've seen with the national
training camps a lot of three-on-three stuff that they're doing in the
development council the cross I stuff they're now doing is it's it's becoming
and now known as elite programming and it's important for us to understand that
the ADM is bigger than just eight-and-under hockey it's for every
age group and it is you know it's the next step in hockey development and it's
a leap program and this stuff has been around for years but it's been kind of
hit and miss and that's been packaged together to really guide people using
you know the progression book and the model okay so just to recap today we
appreciate the comments giving us a like and a Hello on the on the feet here so
we know that whether again with your watching live or on the replay and
sharing we have our social media contest going right now which includes all the
different posts on our social media pages following us on facebook follow us
on Instagram and commenting and liking liking posts and then we have the extra
special bonus challenge from fall today on mix the next two weeks submitting you
know attract practices of screen shot or a PDF send send an email over to Paul
from any of our age groups or any of our teams and any locations so we can get
some additional feedback and then we're gonna select a winner from those
submissions as well for you so we'll do this way if you submit five practices
you're gonna get five entries into this kind of to submit one you'll still get
let's go get one so good if you can just do one if you can do multiple we'd love
to see those and this goes even beyond this two weeks if you want to do miss
send us things in the future we'd love to see that Paul any parting words
before we wrap up today no I think that's great that and we and we want to
do we we want people to do this because we want to be engaged and involved in
their their child's development and we also want to improve
as an organization and we want to see the numbers if it's if it's a bad day
for a practice bad numbers will digest it we'll look at all there I'm from a
little proof from it I think that's what we're trying to do as an organization is
improve and get better every day and we know there's always room for them
awesome great thanks Paul and we will see everyone next Monday at 2 p.m.
Pacific again you have our video assistant here so
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